Bigger choke: Tony Romo or Phil Mickelson

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It's not even his real position so I don't know why people are making such a big deal out of it. Maybe if he threw 4 or 5 int's and had a bad game at the QB position then you would have a story. But just cause he dropped a snap on a FG does not mean he's a choker. This thread is plain silly.

You're entitled to your opinion, but there's no question that Romo choked, they've practiced those field goals countless times, and there's no way that should have ever happened. The fact of the matter is that he's been playing poorly for a while now at the QB position, I mean how many fumbles and terrible decisions can one guy possibly make, he's been making Eli look like Peyton by comparison. By the way, it's just silly to rag on threads that spawn conversation and thought which is just as silly as the people around here who rag on Joe Gibbs (the Skins would be nothing without him), totally unwarranted and just plain petty I say.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It's not even his real position so I don't know why people are making such a big deal out of it. Maybe if he threw 4 or 5 int's and had a bad game at the QB position then you would have a story. But just cause he dropped a snap on a FG does not mean he's a choker. This thread is plain silly.

But isn't it his position? Hasn't he been the holder all year long?

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I like watching the Masters a lot more now that they have set it up much harder. I guess those crusty good old boys that run it got tired of seeing all those birdies. If they ever grow the ruff up like a US Open it would be unplayable.

I just love the atmosphere of the Masters, so much tradition and history. What makes it better than the other majors is in large part due to the fact that they play at the same venue every year. Who'll ever forget Nicklaus winning in '86, well past his prime, or Mickelson finally breaking through with that long birdie putt on 18 three years ago, or Tiger's magic chip on the par-three 16th in '05. I can't wait till April for the next one!

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

But isn't it his position? Hasn't he been the holder all year long?

Exactly!

[MTK]

Like someone said earlier I guess it depends on your definition of choked.

Did Romo F up? Yeah. But was his F up due to the pressure of the situation and his inability to handle it? Only he knows for sure.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Like someone said earlier I guess it depends on your definition of choked.

Did Romo F up? Yeah. But was his F up due to the pressure of the situation and his inability to handle it? Only he knows for sure.

It would seem to me a combination of both. Like any sport both mental and physical aspects come into play. I mean, you can't mess up a perfect snap like that no matter who you are.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

It would seem to me a combination of both. Like any sport both mental and physical aspects come into play. I mean, you can't mess up a perfect snap like that no matter who you are.

Or was it just due to a wet ball and someone who tends to have a fumbling problem?

[hail_2_da_skins]

As much as I enjoyed watching Tony Homo gag on national television, Phil Mickelson performed the ultimate choke. He actually brought the Tin Cup movie to real life. Any golfer, even a weekend golfer, knows that you do not compound a mistake with another mistake. When he sliced the first ball into the woods, his next shot should be to put the ball back into play and try and make par. At worst he would have gotten a bogey and would still have an opportunity to win the championship in a playoff. Freaking idiot tries to make a miracle shot and ends up losing it all.

At least when Homo fumbled the ball, he tried to make something of it. He almost converted the first down. That was a great hustle play by the Seattle defense.

[SmootSmack]

The "ultimate choke" was Pam Anderson on Tommy Lee...zing!. That's right, I went there.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

You're entitled to your opinion, but there's no question that Romo choked, they've practiced those field goals countless times, and there's no way that should have ever happened. The fact of the matter is that he's been playing poorly for a while now at the QB position, I mean how many fumbles and terrible decisions can one guy possibly make, he's been making Eli look like Peyton by comparison. By the way, it's just silly to rag on threads that spawn conversation and thought which is just as silly as the people around here who rag on Joe Gibbs (the Skins would be nothing without him), totally unwarranted and just plain petty I say.

I know your a knowledgeable football fan. Romo is a young Qb that does not have a lot of game experience, just like JC. He is going to be really really good. You can see he has very good ability. He needs a full off season of being the starter just like JC. Saying that he choked cause he dropped a snap is ridicules. So did Terry Glen choke when he fumbled and gave Seattle two points? Did Bradie James choke when he let Stevens run by him? Choking is Jean Van De Velve or Houston Oilers letting Buff come back from 31 down.

As for Gibbs he deserves the heat that he gets. Horrible FO moves and some poor coaching will get you ripped. I hope he turns it around. But remember, Gibbs 1 had a GM and Ritchie Petibone.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

But isn't it his position? Hasn't he been the holder all year long?

Yes but IMO that was not a choke. All this choking stuff is crazy.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I know your a knowledgeable football fan. Romo is a young Qb that does not have a lot of game experience, just like JC. He is going to be really really good. You can see he has very good ability. He needs a full off season of being the starter just like JC. Saying that he choked cause he dropped a snap is ridicules. So did Terry Glen choke when he fumbled and gave Seattle two points? Did Bradie James choke when he let Stevens run by him? Choking is Jean Van De Velve or Houston Oilers letting Buff come back from 31 down.

As for Gibbs he deserves the heat that he gets. Horrible FO moves and some poor coaching will get you ripped. I hope he turns it around. But remember, Gibbs 1 had a GM and Ritchie Petibone.

Okay, I have to hand it to you, you do make good points there. I still don't see anything but a choke though when it comes to Romo messing up that field goal attempt though. What you see as a choke is different than what I see is a choke, obviously. I guess choking is a pretty subjective term though.

On the Gibbs front, I agree that he has made some blunders in the front office, but he made just a few coaching mistakes this year, definitely bringing Al Saunders to run the offense, Gibbs bread and butter, was a huge transition. Like I say to everyone, what happened after that '04 season? Did we not make it to the playoffs that next year? I have faith that the right adjustments will be made just like after that season.

[Beemnseven]

How are there so many posts on a thread with Phil Mickelson in the title?

[brent]

While I'm not one to discourage Romo bashing and he certainly shanked a couple easy throws in that game, the real blame and choke job goes to the Dallas receiving corps. Glenn's fumble (I still doubt he even caught that ball in the first place), TO's late drop on a 3rd and 1 (how stupid was THAT call?), and the other receivers did their best to short arm everything against a rookie secondary. Terrible, terrible effort by the wide receivers of the Cowboys. They should shoulder much of the blame in that loss.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by brent

While I'm not one to discourage Romo bashing and he certainly shanked a couple easy throws in that game, the real blame and choke job goes to the Dallas receiving corps. Glenn's fumble (I still doubt he even caught that ball in the first place), TO's late drop on a 3rd and 1 (how stupid was THAT call?), and the other receivers did their best to short arm everything against a rookie secondary. Terrible, terrible effort by the wide receivers of the Cowboys. They should shoulder much of the blame in that loss.

The reason Glenn's was a catch is because he had full control of the ball and did not use the ground to catch or trap the ball. He just lost his balance and while controlling the ball used it for balance. If it was shifting or moving in his hands at any time it would have been ruled as incomplete and he had already taken a step before it had touched the ground.