F... the HOF voters!!!!

AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace · 02-04-2007, 10:37 PM

Did anyone read the Dr. Z article and notice anything weird...when he was talking about cornerbacks...he never mentioned DARRELL GREEN...in my mind, one of the greatest cornerback to play the game...I wonder if he's setting up a future snub...this guy clearly hates the skins

ncskinsfanec · 02-04-2007, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

Did anyone read the Dr. Z article and notice anything weird...when he was talking about cornerbacks...he never mentioned DARRELL GREEN...in my mind, one of the greatest cornerback to play the game...I wonder if he's setting up a future snub...this guy clearly hates the skins

Him and Peter King both.

FRPLG · 02-04-2007, 10:59 PM

Ole petey supposedly jumped on the Monk bandwagon this year.

ncskinsfanec · 02-04-2007, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Ole petey supposedly jumped on the Monk bandwagon this year.

Oh really? That's good. I just know King has wrote some things I deem unflattering about the Skins and Joe Gibbs in the past. That said, I do enjoy his Monday morning columns.

Luxorreb · 02-05-2007, 07:02 AM

Monk not in before Irvin?

F*CKIN' RIDICULOUS!!!

WTF!?!?!?!?!

Irvin is a gun-HOE slappin cocaine enhancin' type of guy. Who had Aikman, #22 and lotsa great players helping him. Art Monk didn't use cocaine and retired with the most catches in a season EVER!

gibbs4life · 02-05-2007, 10:47 AM

speechless is all i can really say ..

i,m soo pissed stinkie is right they are a bunch of classless clowns...

voting for the HOF is so easy even a caveman could do it..
a total disgrace..

SkinEmAll · 02-06-2007, 09:43 PM

ok so here we go, if were talking postseason stats are what set them apart, here are their respective avgs per postseason game;

Art Monk: 15 games, 4.6 catches per game, 70.8 yards per game, 0.4 TDs per game.

m. irvin: 16 games, 5.4 catches per game, 82 yards per game, 0.5 TDs per game.

and Monk had 6 carries for 17 yards.

sorry, I just dont see the big difference here. irvin before Monk? Theres is NOT ONE legitimate reason for irvin to be in before Monk. Period.

SmootSmack · 02-05-2007, 11:03 AM

I was a little surprised Tagliabue didn't get in either actually

70Chip · 02-05-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I was a little surprised Tagliabue didn't get in either actually

Tagliabue is a DC guy. He went to Georgetown and was a Redskins season ticket holder before he became comissioner. Say no more.

Tagliabue was a great comissioner. He had the rare ability to realize things were fine and to not eff with them. Goodell worries me to the extent that he seems to have the need to put his stamp on things. People can make a difference but they usually shouldn't.

redsk1 · 02-05-2007, 11:36 AM

Irvin deserves to be in the HOF, but Monk deserves it just as much if not more. MI is a HOF. Everyone is just p***** that Monk didn't get in & he did. Irvin still pushed off alot and never got called. Pretty ridiculous though. If no defining catch is there obstacle, then did Steve Largent have a defining catch? I can't think of any and he deserves to be in.

LBrown43 · 02-05-2007, 02:24 PM

Class and character obviously don't count in getting in. On the other hand a lack of character and drug busts and other lack of class attributes seem to go over big with the voters.
Art, you were robbed once again. If they ever come knocking....you should quietly and politely turn them down. You have too much class to be shoulder to shoulder with the likes of the so called deserving.

Dogtag · 02-05-2007, 03:31 PM

I strongly disagree with the values these HOF voters hold. In my book Art Monk deserves better, much better.

However, the fact that Art Monk has not spoken/written negatively about this HOF process (publically) speaks volumes for his maturity and his continued presence as a positive role model. Art Monk remains a class act!

skinsfan69 · 02-05-2007, 03:42 PM

Players and coaches need to vote and not sports writers.

irish · 02-08-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Players and coaches need to vote and not sports writers.

You would be just trading one set of agendas & bias for another. The problem is not that sports writers do the voting, the problem is that only 40 writers do this voting. It needs to be more writers like they do for the baseball HoF.

mike340 · 02-06-2007, 01:17 AM

W.C.Fields once wrote that he didn't want to belong to any society that would accept (someone like) him as a member. Perhaps this is what Monk should feel about the Hall of Shame.

While a lot of people are saying they have lost all respect for the place, I know that people will go there if Monk gets in. So I have a question.
How many people go to the induction ceremony? If there aren't too many it might be possible to flood the place with fans with wearing Monk jerseys. There would be no reason to "Irvin" (disrupt) the ceremony. It's a pacific way of making a very strong comment.

As far as stats go, Monk was far superior to Irvin. (I believe) Monk got his record (106) before our other good wideouts came on board. After that he lost a lot of touches to Clark (and Sanders.) In addition, he lost touches because he didn't lobby the coaches for the ball. Irvin got similar per-year stats as the Cowboys' "go-to" receiver.

The last time I checked, football was a team sport. The best player should therefore by judged in the context of how they contributed to the team. Monk sacrificed the good of the individual (by not lobbying for the ball and not complaining about how he was used) for the good of the team, costing him yardage, catches, TDs, and Pro-Bowl selections, while still maintaining career averages in the same range as Irvin. I must conclude from the HOSh voting that football is no longer a team sport.

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AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Fayetteville, NC Age: 41 Posts: 896	Re: F... the HOF voters!!!! Did anyone read the Dr. Z article and notice anything weird...when he was talking about cornerbacks...he never mentioned DARRELL GREEN...in my mind, one of the greatest cornerback to play the game...I wonder if he's setting up a future snub...this guy clearly hates the skins

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FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 10,164	Re: F... the HOF voters!!!! Ole petey supposedly jumped on the Monk bandwagon this year.

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Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 54 Posts: 1,630	Re: F... the HOF voters!!!! Monk not in before Irvin? F*CKIN' RIDICULOUS!!! WTF!?!?!?!?! Irvin is a gun-HOE slappin cocaine enhancin' type of guy. Who had Aikman, #22 and lotsa great players helping him. Art Monk didn't use cocaine and retired with the most catches in a season EVER! __________________ ^21^

02-05-2007, 10:47 AM	#6
gibbs4life Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: chocowinity nc Age: 56 Posts: 282	Re: F... the HOF voters!!!! speechless is all i can really say .. i,m soo pissed stinkie is right they are a bunch of classless clowns... voting for the HOF is so easy even a caveman could do it.. a total disgrace.. __________________ with the sixth pick dan synder selects......daniel synder ...to find someone that will be a better fit for the front office..

02-06-2007, 09:43 PM	#7
SkinEmAll Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: BillysBurg, Va. Posts: 489	Re: F... the HOF voters!!!! ok so here we go, if were talking postseason stats are what set them apart, here are their respective avgs per postseason game; Art Monk: 15 games, 4.6 catches per game, 70.8 yards per game, 0.4 TDs per game. m. irvin: 16 games, 5.4 catches per game, 82 yards per game, 0.5 TDs per game. and Monk had 6 carries for 17 yards. sorry, I just dont see the big difference here. irvin before Monk? Theres is NOT ONE legitimate reason for irvin to be in before Monk. Period.

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02-05-2007, 11:36 AM	#10
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: F... the HOF voters!!!! Irvin deserves to be in the HOF, but Monk deserves it just as much if not more. MI is a HOF. Everyone is just p***** that Monk didn't get in & he did. Irvin still pushed off alot and never got called. Pretty ridiculous though. If no defining catch is there obstacle, then did Steve Largent have a defining catch? I can't think of any and he deserves to be in.

02-05-2007, 02:24 PM	#11
LBrown43 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Clinton (as in Portis) New Jersey Age: 64 Posts: 217	Re: F... the HOF voters!!!! Class and character obviously don't count in getting in. On the other hand a lack of character and drug busts and other lack of class attributes seem to go over big with the voters. Art, you were robbed once again. If they ever come knocking....you should quietly and politely turn them down. You have too much class to be shoulder to shoulder with the likes of the so called deserving.

02-05-2007, 03:31 PM	#12
Dogtag Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Dumfries, VA Age: 73 Posts: 241	Re: F... the HOF voters!!!! I strongly disagree with the values these HOF voters hold. In my book Art Monk deserves better, much better. However, the fact that Art Monk has not spoken/written negatively about this HOF process (publically) speaks volumes for his maturity and his continued presence as a positive role model. Art Monk remains a class act!

02-05-2007, 03:42 PM	#13
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,591	Re: F... the HOF voters!!!! Players and coaches need to vote and not sports writers.

02-06-2007, 01:17 AM	#15
mike340 Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 69 Posts: 322	Re: F... the HOF voters!!!! W.C.Fields once wrote that he didn't want to belong to any society that would accept (someone like) him as a member. Perhaps this is what Monk should feel about the Hall of Shame. While a lot of people are saying they have lost all respect for the place, I know that people will go there if Monk gets in. So I have a question. How many people go to the induction ceremony? If there aren't too many it might be possible to flood the place with fans with wearing Monk jerseys. There would be no reason to "Irvin" (disrupt) the ceremony. It's a pacific way of making a very strong comment. As far as stats go, Monk was far superior to Irvin. (I believe) Monk got his record (106) before our other good wideouts came on board. After that he lost a lot of touches to Clark (and Sanders.) In addition, he lost touches because he didn't lobby the coaches for the ball. Irvin got similar per-year stats as the Cowboys' "go-to" receiver. The last time I checked, football was a team sport. The best player should therefore by judged in the context of how they contributed to the team. Monk sacrificed the good of the individual (by not lobbying for the ball and not complaining about how he was used) for the good of the team, costing him yardage, catches, TDs, and Pro-Bowl selections, while still maintaining career averages in the same range as Irvin. I must conclude from the HOSh voting that football is no longer a team sport.

F... the HOF voters!!!!

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