Yet Another #$(&^ing Ramsey Thread...Gotta Keep Up With the #$(&^#ing Brunell Threads

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ramsey is a smart guy, I believe he was a double major at Tulane, but that doesn't mean he's a smart football player.

The game seems to slowdown for the great players. In the citical moments of a game a great player looks in control and plays in rythm.
For Ramsey the game seems to speed up not slow down. Ramsey seems to choke at the critical moments. He couldn't sense or feel the pash rush around him and so he gave up alot of sacks or turnovers. Great guy with a great arm but lacks the rest. He just doesn't have it.

[backrow]

The ultimate downfall of PRam was HOF Coach Gibbs distrust in his abilities after that hit just before halftime of our first game that year. That, combined with HOF Coach Gibbs love of MBrunnell. All of that transpired after Coach Gibbs said PRam was his QB after the last four games of the previous season. It was a change of mind, not lack of speed, or loss of confidence. Or maybe it was all of the above.

[mike340]

If Ramsey holds on to jobs outside of football as long as he holds onto the ball, he can look forward to exactly one job change in his life.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Yeah,the word on Patrick was that he wasn't real bright. Of course, that was the word on Shuler too - now he's in the congress, which sort of reinforces the point. Maybe Ramsey could go into politics.

Now let's see what Offiss has to say:

You wanted it you got it, first off Ramsey has more brains in his little toe than Campbell or Brunell will ever know.

My whole contention about Ramsey has been he was never given any kind of a fair shake by Gibbs and I still stand by that, can anyone truely say we are better off right now with Brunell than had we stuck with Ramsey? I don't know how you could? Even if Ramsey was a backup his value would be far greater than Brunell, and cost a lot less money. But knowbody ever wants to allow a player to grow, especially at QB, Ramsey had how many starts? Not enough for 1 full season, I would bring him back in a heartbeat he would be great ins. for Campbell.

I wonder how many of you gave up on Betts? I know I wasen't one of them, I said all along he was a better between the tackles runner than Portis, he hit's the hole harder, and faster than Portis and proved it last season, but he was a piece of garbage until the second half of last season, now we have guys arguing to keep him here unless someone offers a 1st rd pick, funny Gibbs couldn't see Betts talent when he arrived he just ran out and traded for Portis. Yes Betts had health issues but that can't be predicted his talent as a runner was what we had to go on and he's very talented.

I do have to ask what was so great about Campbell last season? Did he do something above average, or was he pretty much below average, I for one was glad to see him in there, but I also have been stareing at Brunell for 3 years, that's kind of like watching some old lady on a treadmill for 3 hours every sunday for 3 years only to have someone take you to the kentucky derby, your horse may come in last but it's a lot more fun to watch.

To put it plain and simple I am not backing off Ramsey I still feel he will succeed it's just a matter of time.

On a lesser note how good is Drew Brees right now? You know the QB who was on the verge of being released after 3 years, the big time bust? He seemed to become a pretty good QB, how many times do we here a QB needs at least 3 years of playing time to really blossom? Well Ramsey was never afforded that opportunity by Gibbs.

And while we are bashing people for performance let's throw one more into the ring who deserves the biggest slam of all for all around performance, that honor goes to one JOE GIBBS! Kudos JG he's a genious at keeping us in the lottery to bad we only have 1 pick, and he will probably screw that up as well.

[MTK]

and all is right with the world again

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I'm still not sold that Ramsey can't be a good QB in this league. I still saw alot of potential there, and before I say he is done and was a bust at QB, I'm gonna see where he goes the next couple years.

I agree, though "good" is a relative term here. I can see him being a good backup & maybe winning a starting job in a few years a la tommy maddox. Some guys take years to develop at the qb position.
I don't ever see Ramsey getting a contract that solidifies him as a team's starter for a few years though.
I liked Ramsey but I'm sure glad Gibbs went after JC.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

and all is right with the world again

What's really amazing is that Gibbs' influence on the league is so powerful that apparently he somehow convinced the Jets not to give Ramsey a chance either. What team will Ramsey not get a chance to succeed with next?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

What's really amazing is that Gibbs' influence on the league is so powerful that apparently he somehow convinced the Jets not to give Ramsey a chance either. What team will Ramsey not get a chance to succeed with next?

LOL seriously, first Spurrier messed him up, now Gibbs.

I'm sure Gibbs will make sure he never gets a chance in this league.

[FRPLG]

I don't know which is more ridiculous. His contention that Ramsey has any value or that Betts is a better back than Portis. He must close his eyes when Portis runs the ball because it seems clear to me that Portis is a superior RB just by watching.

[724Skinsfan]

I thought it was fairly common knowledge that there exists an ancient blood feud between Clan Gibbs and Clan Ramsey.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I think in retrospect Ramsey lacked a lot. Some his fault and some out of his control. What he had in passing skills he lacked in overall athletic ability and certainly never had what anyone could call a good situation. But without that athletic ability I think he never could have maximized his passing skills, in any situation, simply because so much of being a good NFL QB involves mustering your athletic ability to make plays and Ramsey just didn't have that.

I am in no means disagreeing with the Ramsey comments. But I dont recall Marino, Bledsoe, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Unitas, Stallback...on and on being great athletes. They could throw the ball. which Ramsey can surely do.

My thoughts are he played well in a year when Spurrier thought blocking was secondary to getting receivers down field. And absolute given no shot when Gibbs took over. 1st year in NY had to deal with Pennington being the man, never really given a shot. I think he can be a good..not great..QB. maybe get your team to the playoffs, not sure about a superbowl. But, Ramsey needs to be in a situation where he is THE MAN, where he doesn't need to look over his shoulder ever quarter.

[MTK]

Enough excuses... he needs to WIN A JOB OUTRIGHT, PERIOD. And so far in his 5 year NFL career he hasn't been able to do that. Good QBs in this league will play, the so-so ones ride the pine. What is so hard to understand about that?

You have to earn your shots in this league, nobody is given anything.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

But I dont recall Marino, Bledsoe, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Unitas, Stallback...on and on being great athletes. They could throw the ball. which Ramsey can surely do.

Each one had more athletic ability. Each, as I remember, was able to move around the pocket and make time. Ramsey was a sitting target. Not once do I remember him sliding in the pocket or stepping up out of a collapsing pocket to create more time to make a play. In fact I distinctly remember watching Ramsey get sacked over and over again and not doing anything to avoid it. How many times did he drop back and just basically fall down as the guy got to him? Sometimes it even looked like a designed play...drop and fall down. Successful QBs do their fair share of sack avoidance and they use their atheltic abilities to do so. Peyton isn't any faster than Ramsey but he has good quick footwork and decent enough agility to use it to avoid maybe 10-15 sacks a year. Ramsey didn't ever show the agility to do it.

[Master4Caster]

I've thought many times about Ramsey and why I liked him. Courage! The kid would take a hit and keep getting up.

It seems his strength was also his weakness. Not mobile in the pocket; held the ball too long; sometimes a poor decision (like no other QB ever did that).

I'm of the "Spurrier ruined him" school. Spurrier emphasized long ball. I don't think Ramsey was well schooled on precise, pro-style ball-control passing. Nor could he trust his coach, who was all too ready to pull him for Danny Woeful.

It says something when Joe Gibbs studies the tape and signs a new quarterback as his first personnel move. It says even more when you don't show enough to make #2 on the depth chart for the Jets.

We are better off without him. But the kid has courage and I hope he catches on somewhere.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

1st year in NY had to deal with Pennington being the man, never really given a shot ... But, Ramsey needs to be in a situation where he is THE MAN, where he doesn't need to look over his shoulder ever quarter.

Last year in Jetland the QB job was wide open - Ramsey's for the takng. Before the season began, Pennington was not THE MAN. He was the QB trying to make a miraculous recovery from a 2nd rotator cuff injury. Hell, the only reason he was still on the roster was that it would have been prohibitive cap-wise to cut him. Even as the only healthy, experienced QB on the roster, Ramsey was unable to beat out a rookie - Clemons.

At the end of preseason, Ramsey was THIRD ON THE DEPTH CHART behind a recovering, candy-armed QB (even at full strength, Pennington wasn't going to be throwing any lasers) and a rookie.

He has had opportunities to be THE MAN (Gibbs gave him a shot, but he simply did not "seize the day" when the opportunity presented itself. And don't give me the "he had one series" crap - He had two seasons to TAKE the job, he didn't.)

As Matty said, it's time for him to WIN a job.

I like Ramsey, good, tough guy who is smart and personable. As I said earlier, he may be a late bloomer. He certainly has the physical tools to succeed, just a question of whether or not he can ever pick up the pace and shake the deer-in-the-headlights mentality.

For those of you who think it's everybody else's fault but his own that he is not a starting QB - go find a new conspiracy theory to back. This one's so weak that even World Wide Weekly wouldn't back it.