Dre' Bly wants to be a Skin? That's What I Hear

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I really don't think he's taking that much of a macro view of things, I think he's just uneasy with the way the team has been shopping for corners, he's old and gets banged up easily, and the writing is on the wall for him.

He just wants some long term job security and obviously with his injury history and age the Skins aren't willing to fully commit to him and understandably so.

I wonder who is, though? Titans?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I wonder who is, though? Titans?

broncos. they don't have a lot of cap space right now though.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by offiss

I think the real story here is why Springs want's out so badly? He is looking more and more like Champ when he wanted out. I think some of these guys see the direction of the Skins and become disconcerted about our ability to ever field a legitamate contender, we are like a revolving door for personel, an inferiour talent leaves, so an inferiour talent is brought in, and on it goes.

The only similarities here are that both wear #24 & that both were asked to play for what they felt is below their market value.
Don't give Springs too much credit in wanting to play for a winner, he wants to get paid while the market is hot, can't blame him.
Also can't blame him for being offended at being asked to take a pay cut. His salary isn't that huge compared to what guys are making this year in free agency. If the team can ask him to take a pay cut, why can't he ask the team to let him go?
Springs is a local guy & has been a team leader, I would much rather keep him for chemistry's sake than have Bly.
Bly is from Chesapeake, VA & that's part of the reason he wants to come to the Skins.
I hope they haven't pissed Springs off beyond repair to where he demands a trade. It's not good for the team when a popular guy leaves on bad terms. The Lavar situation was more complex, and he made it easier for the team to let him go cause he ran his mouth a lot, but Springs has been a model teamate from all I can see.
Right now it seems both sides are in a standoff; Springs wants to test the market but the Skins won't let him go, the skins want him to take a pay cut but he won't. If a trade isn't done around the draft, June 1 we may decide to let him go like coles (meaning taking the cap hit) if the situation is irreparable.
I hope Gibbs can smooth this over, but that will be hard after he's already asked him to take a cut.

[hesscl34]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

The only similarities here are that both wear #24 & that both were asked to play for what they felt is below their market value.
Don't give Springs too much credit in wanting to play for a winner, he wants to get paid while the market is hot, can't blame him.
Also can't blame him for being offended at being asked to take a pay cut. His salary isn't that huge compared to what guys are making this year in free agency. If the team can ask him to take a pay cut, why can't he ask the team to let him go?
Springs is a local guy & has been a team leader, I would much rather keep him for chemistry's sake than have Bly.
Bly is from Chesapeake, VA & that's part of the reason he wants to come to the Skins.
I hope they haven't pissed Springs off beyond repair to where he demands a trade. It's not good for the team when a popular guy leaves on bad terms. The Lavar situation was more complex, and he made it easier for the team to let him go cause he ran his mouth a lot, but Springs has been a model teamate from all I can see.
Right now it seems both sides are in a standoff; Springs wants to test the market but the Skins won't let him go, the skins want him to take a pay cut but he won't. If a trade isn't done around the draft, June 1 we may decide to let him go like coles (meaning taking the cap hit) if the situation is irreparable.
I hope Gibbs can smooth this over, but that will be hard after he's already asked him to take a cut.

All I have to say to that is - THEN DON'T ASK HIM TO TAKE A CUT. Some players are worth whatever it takes to keep them around, and I think he's one of them.

[mike340]

Agreed. Springs has played most of all his seasons except for the last one where he got surgery just before the season. He'll be injured 2-3 games and around for the rest. Bly has only a year left, and if he really wants to be a Skin we can pick him up next year.

Originally Posted by hesscl34

All I have to say to that is - THEN DON'T ASK HIM TO TAKE A CUT. Some players are worth whatever it takes to keep them around, and I think he's one of them.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

All I have to say to that is - THEN DON'T ASK HIM TO TAKE A CUT. Some players are worth whatever it takes to keep them around, and I think he's one of them.

agreed, but the damage is done if not irreparable; they've already asked him to.
I think the prudent thing for Gibbs to do is 1) talk to him & reaffirm what he's telling us; that he expects Springs to play, and 2) pay him his salary if at all possible w/in the cap. Next year cut him if he's no longer worth it, but stay put for now.
I even think we'll have to do the same w/Wynn. These are not the guys we want to have disgruntled.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by offiss

I think the real story here is why Springs want's out so badly? He is looking more and more like Champ when he wanted out. I think some of these guys see the direction of the Skins and become disconcerted about our ability to ever field a legitamate contender, we are like a revolving door for personel, an inferiour talent leaves, so an inferiour talent is brought in, and on it goes.

I have, and always will be skeptical of a player while playing for one team, and is under contract to that team, expresses a desire to be playing for another team. Springs has let it be known he'd lie to play in Denver, so maybe that's where he should be if a sensible deal could be worked out. I'd like to see him stay, he, Smoot and Rogers would be a nice combination, but if the guy's unhappy here then I'd rather move in another direction.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

I have, and always will be skeptical of a player while playing for one team, and is under contract to that team, expresses a desire to be playing for another team. Springs has let it be known he'd lie to play in Denver, so maybe that's where he should be if a sensible deal could be worked out. I'd like to see him stay, he, Smoot and Rogers would be a nice combination, but if the guy's unhappy here then I'd rather move in another direction.

Is he unhappy because of mgmt asking him to take a pay cut? If that's why, then maybe they can mend that by paying him his full salary, since it appears it will cost big $ to replace him w/Bly.
I remember JLC writing that at the end of the season Springs was jokingly telling players it was nice working w/them. Maybe he had his hopes up that he'd be cut & he could test the mkt.?
I obviously don't know, but it doesn't sound unreasonable to be upset when asked to take a pay cut.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Is he unhappy because of mgmt asking him to take a pay cut? If that's why, then maybe they can mend that by paying him his full salary, since it appears it will cost big $ to replace him w/Bly.
I remember JLC writing that at the end of the season Springs was jokingly telling players it was nice working w/them. Maybe he had his hopes up that he'd be cut & he could test the mkt.?
I obviously don't know, but it doesn't sound unreasonable to be upset when asked to take a pay cut.

In his case I don't think it's unreasonable for him to at least consider restructering his contract. He has one of the highest cap figures on the team. It's no like they're asking him to take a pay cut per-say. I think he's afraid to alter his contract in a way which calls for future considerations because he may not be around to collect it anyway. It's obvious he's out for all he can get right now, and I believe the money has always been his primary objective.

[Luxorreb]

You're right GMAC 14 games is better than 8!
Either way Rogers is gotta fight hard to start now. Consistantly missing interceptions that hit you in the hands or chest is just unacceptable for an NFL CB. How many picks to Rogers have? 1 INT all year?

[bigant]

i wonder what the jets wanted to give us for betts?

[Hog1]

It may not be over yet

Redskins Notes:
Denver cornerback Dre Bly, who the Redskins attempted to acquire last week and who has told several people he wants to play for Washington, could become available again. The Broncos, who already have three quality cornerbacks, have a free agent visit set up with corner David Macklin, according to reports, and should they sign him it could be a precursor to a Bly trade. The Redskins are seeking additional picks in this draft and are interested in trading down from the sixth overall pick, while the Broncos could entertain moving up. . . .

washingtonpost.com

[skinsfan_nn]

Interesting. Might just land in DC?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Redskins Insider

Posted at 4:09 PM ET, 03/ 4/2007

Dre' Bly wants to be a Skin? That's What I Hear

Numerous league sources, including several who have spoken with Denver cornerback Dre' Bly, said that the player is miffed that he was dealt to the Broncos last week instead of Washington. As I have reported, the Redskins were deep into trade and subsequent contract talks with Bly - a Detroit Lion at the time - and were dangling cornerback Shawn Springs in discussions with those teams.
Springs was coveted by Detroit and Denver, and very open to the possibility of a trade, but the Redskins could not match Denver's offer of two players and a draft pick (the Redskins had no suitable picks in the 2007 draft) and the Lions sent him to the Broncos instead. Once it was clear Bly was going to Denver, the Redskins tried to work out a swap with them, but according to a source, the Redskins asked for cap help deferring the costs of trading Springs ($7.5 million) and Denver refuses (the Broncos did not have a ton of space, either).
However, the Broncos have been unwilling to extend Bly's contract, which has one year and $4.2 million remaining. Bly has told numerous other NFL players that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder, in the course of trade talks, was willing to give Bly a new contract including a lucrative signing bonus, and Bly has expressed his concern with remaining a Bronco with several of his new teammates in Denver. He's from Chesapeake, VA, wants to be here and wants that new contract. His agent, Kennard McGuire, initially declined to comment on the matter.
Springs, meantime, has ties to the staffs of both Denver and Detroit, and has said he will not take a pay cut to remain a Redskin this season (he is due to make $6.8 million and carries a high $7.3 million cap figure, which the Redskins have been eager to trim). The team approached Springs about taking a salary cut to remain here earlier this offseason, and he refused; his cap figures are huge each of the next three seasons and some team officials have expressed concerns about his age and injury history.
Sources close to Springs say he remains unsure about his status with the Redskins despite Coach Joe Gibbs saying repeated that he is "counting on Springs" for next season. Denver Coach Mike Shanahan is a big proponent of Springs's play, according to a source, and the Broncos and Redskins have completed trades in each of the past three years and are among the most aggressive teams in the NFL when it comes to swapping players. The Redskins remain very interested in dropping down from the sixth overall pick to acquire additional selections in this year's draft, and the possibility exists of another deal this offseason involving the cornerbacks and/or draft picks.
A trade after June 1 would cost the Redskins just $2.5 million in a cap hit on Springs (with $5 million coming in 2008). Springs is also considering approaching the Redskins about possibility relinquishing several million dollars in deferred payments still owed him in order to facilitate his possible trade or release. Many members of the Redskins staff are thrilled with the possibility of a cornerback trio of Springs, free-agent signing Fred Smoot and youngster Carlos Rogers, but should Bly attempt to force his way out of Denver, the situation bears monitoring, with the huge free agent contracts being thrown around this offseason not going unnoticed by Bly or Springs.
So keep an eye on this one folks. I think there is still a chance for more trade talks to resume. The Broncos are also very high on Ladell Betts, and could make a play in that direction as well as they entertain other RB options. Definitely something I will be monitoring.
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i think we should trade shawn springs and a 2008 4th rounder for bly

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

i think we should trade shawn springs and a 2008 4th rounder for bly

Here's the thing that bothers me about losing Springs: Who will captain the secondary? Rogers? Taylor? Arch? Smoot? (<--mmm...maybe). The Skins secondary will be no better than last year without a veteran leader in the secondary. We'll look like a watered down USA Olympic basketball team out there.