JLC: Front Office Rumblings?

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I'm not going to win any popularity points here, but history kinda says that a strong and independent GM might not work all that well here.

Let me get this out of the way up front. I think Vinny is incompetent and should have stayed fired and not brought back when Danny Boy axed Marty Schottenheimer. Not a single word of what follows should be interpreted to mean that Vinny should stay on here.

I just don't think that Joe Gibbs can work for long with a strong and independent GM. Please recall that it was a Gibbs/Beathard feud over roster structure and draft picks that escalated all the way up to JKC's desk and JKC booted Beathard out of town and kept Gibbs on board. Casserley got the job and for the time he and Gibbs overlapped, Gibbs called the shots and Casserley scouted the Plan B free agents (remember those?) There were precious few stellar drafts in that reign. AND when Joe Gibbs packed it in in the early 1990s, he left a team in a horrid state of disrepair - check with Richie Pettibone on that one.

Joe Gibbs is a control freak - that is probably an important factor as to why he is successful as a coach and as a NASCAR owner. But control freaks tend not to work all that well with strong and independent colleagues at the same level that they are. When control freaks were in kindergarten, they used to come home with report cards that said something like "Does not play well with others."

And Lord knows that at the top of the Skins organization chart they have a control freak and a person who believes he too knows lots about "general managing" in the NFL. Anyone taking the Skins GM job will have to navigate the waters between two hugely egotistical and controlling forces; expecting that a person held in high regard around the league would take such a job is looking at the world through rose colored glasses. After all, who are the GMs in Dallas and Oakland?

This is totally accurate. Beathard was effective with a young Joe Gibbs because he stood up to Joe and forced his hand on occassion. Casserly was a HORRIBLE GM, who basically did what Joe wanted. There is no way I would want Casserly back, but I would like an independent GM who can call the shots and be 100% responsible for the draft and free agent acquistions.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

\ There is no way I would want Casserly back, but I would like an independent GM who can call the shots and be 100% responsible for the draft and free agent acquistions.

You should probably root for another team then cause you know that will never happen here in DC. LOL

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I'm not going to win any popularity points here, but history kinda says that a strong and independent GM might not work all that well here.

Let me get this out of the way up front. I think Vinny is incompetent and should have stayed fired and not brought back when Danny Boy axed Marty Schottenheimer. Not a single word of what follows should be interpreted to mean that Vinny should stay on here.

I just don't think that Joe Gibbs can work for long with a strong and independent GM. Please recall that it was a Gibbs/Beathard feud over roster structure and draft picks that escalated all the way up to JKC's desk and JKC booted Beathard out of town and kept Gibbs on board. Casserley got the job and for the time he and Gibbs overlapped, Gibbs called the shots and Casserley scouted the Plan B free agents (remember those?) There were precious few stellar drafts in that reign. AND when Joe Gibbs packed it in in the early 1990s, he left a team in a horrid state of disrepair - check with Richie Pettibone on that one.

Joe Gibbs is a control freak - that is probably an important factor as to why he is successful as a coach and as a NASCAR owner. But control freaks tend not to work all that well with strong and independent colleagues at the same level that they are. When control freaks were in kindergarten, they used to come home with report cards that said something like "Does not play well with others."

And Lord knows that at the top of the Skins organization chart they have a control freak and a person who believes he too knows lots about "general managing" in the NFL. Anyone taking the Skins GM job will have to navigate the waters between two hugely egotistical and controlling forces; expecting that a person held in high regard around the league would take such a job is looking at the world through rose colored glasses. After all, who are the GMs in Dallas and Oakland?

I remember well. The problems with Joe and BB.
However, look at the RESULTS! YEP.......SUPERBOWLS
I don't agree at all that Joe is a control freak at this point in his career whatsoever, Joe just want's to win, sure didn't need the cash.

Do you think for one minute in the 80's Joe would have turned over the offensive play calling? NEVER. Has Now, at least to a degree.
I think Joe will work with any common sense approach GM out there that is willing to work within a team structure. As it should be.

Get another RING I don't think anyone would care less if they bickered over things or not? DO YOU....LETS RETURN TO GLORY!

[MTK]

I really disagree about Gibbs being a control freak. He delegates very heavily, there is a reason why he always has one of the biggest staffs in the league. He hires people he trusts and lets them have near total autonomy, that sure doesn't sound like a control freak to me.

[SmootSmack]

He's definitely not a control freak when it comes to his NASCAR team.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I really disagree about Gibbs being a control freak. He delegates very heavily, there is a reason why he always has one of the biggest staffs in the league. He hires people he trusts and lets them have near total autonomy, that sure doesn't sound like a control freak to me.

I agree that he is a control freak. He delegates on defense. But not on offense. But it's not a bad thing.

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I agree that he is a control freak. He delegates on defense. But not on offense. But it's not a bad thing.

How can you say that? He is the head coach. He comes from an offensive coaching line and likes to call the offensive plays. THE FIRST YEAR HE HAD TROUBLE CALLING THE PLAYS HE HIRES AL SAUNDERS!!!!! This is a coach who made the playoffs calling the offense last year and has won 3 superbowls doing it in the past. A control freak could not do that. Period.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

How can you say that? He is the head coach. He comes from an offensive coaching line and likes to call the offensive plays. THE FIRST YEAR HE HAD TROUBLE CALLING THE PLAYS HE HIRES AL SAUNDERS!!!!! This is a coach who made the playoffs calling the offense last year and has won 3 superbowls doing it in the past. A control freak could not do that. Period.

What I meant to say is Gibbs 1 was a control freak. Gibbs 2 is not. But I think as JC matures he needs to let Al really open up the playbook. Let the guy do his thing. Not sure this is going to happen but time will tell.

[MTK]

A true control freak wouldn't delegate anything.