Falcons Trade Matt Schaub to Houston

FRPLG · 03-22-2007, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't care about his college stats. Look at his professional stats. He is below 50%. I think one game when he filled in for Vick he was 17-42. Guy played terrible. I understand he does have some upside but two 2nd rounders and a 1st round swap? That's way too high. Plus what have the Texans done to upgrade the o-line? Texans have NO CLUE what they are doing overpaying for an unproven QB.

You're point about the o-line is spot on. I don't care who their QB is they still can't protect him. That'll matter more than who the QB actually is.

GTripp0012 · 03-22-2007, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't care about his college stats. Look at his professional stats. He is below 50%. I think one game when he filled in for Vick he was 17-42. Guy played terrible. I understand he does have some upside but two 2nd rounders and a 1st round swap? That's way too high. Plus what have the Texans done to upgrade the o-line? Texans have NO CLUE what they are doing overpaying for an unproven QB.

Well, I only looked at his college stats because I agree with you on your point that he's unproven. We really can't go to his pro stats when he only has two career starts. It just doesn't help us.

FRPLG · 03-22-2007, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, there are a lot of differences between Rob Johnson and Matt Schaub. I don't think that was a good comparison.

Schaub completed 67% of his passes in 32 starts at Virginia. That's very good. However, he wasn't espicially highly sought after coming out of college.

We can either say:

1. The scouts were wrong. They simply overlooked this guy.
OR
2. Schaub's stats are a product of his college system.

I'd put my money on the former. Al Groh hasn't exactly pumped out QBs since Schaub left.

Schaub can be very good, and I'm almost certain he will represent an improvement over Carr. But he's NOT a sure thing because of his draft position. He's got a lot of stuff to prove to the scouts who didn't give him a top two round grade.

Rob Johnson, on the other hand, was a talentless QB. Everyone knew that but Wade Phillips.

I tend to agree. I watch a lot of UVa football and what I still remember about Schaub was that while he ended up being good his last two years at UVa, VERY GOOD, in his first year as a starter he was an unmitigated disaster. I mean terrible. And not just sophmore playing on a bad team terrible. Terrible like he didn't look like he'd ever amount to anything. Then all of a sudden he grew a little and his arm got stronger and voila the kid was probably the best QB in the nation over his final two seasons combined. I think that horrible first season stuck in some minds and probably devalued him a lot.

Also the long term success of UVa QBs isn't that good.

Shawn Moore-did nothing
Matt Blundin-did nothing
Mike Groh-did less than nothing
Aaron Brooks-the most successful-eeck!

GTripp0012 · 03-22-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

I tend to agree. I watch a lot of UVa football and what I still remember about Schaub was that while he ended up being good his last two years at UVa, VERY GOOD, in his first year as a starter he was an unmitigated disaster. I mean terrible. And not just sophmore playing on a bad team terrible. Terrible like he didn't look like he'd ever amount to anything. Then all of a sudden he grew a little and his arm got stronger and voila the kid was probably the best QB in the nation over his final two seasons combined. I think that horrible first season stuck in some minds and probably devalued him a lot.

Also the long term success of UVa QBs isn't that good.

Shawn Moore-did nothing
Matt Blundin-did nothing
Mike Groh-did less than nothing
Aaron Brooks-the most successful-eeck!

Most college QBs see a production spike between their 2nd and 3rd seasons. Your chronicle of Schaub's college career seems very prototypical.

skinsfan69 · 03-21-2007, 02:49 PM

Can someone tell me what Matt Schaub has done in the NFL besides play well in pre season? I know he filled in for Vick a few games and played well. But to apparently trade away Carr and give this guy the job is so stupid. I guess that's why the Texans are the Texans.

GTripp0012 · 03-21-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Can someone tell me what Matt Schaub has done in the NFL besides play well in pre season? I know he filled in for Vick a few games and played well. But to apparently trade away Carr and give this guy the job is so stupid. I guess that's why the Texans are the Texans.

Well, the Texans know what they have in Carr. They have a guy who as he gets into his veteran years, could be a very good care taker. Carr got really unlucky last year getting picked off 12 times while completing 69% of his passes. If he completes 69% again, he's only going to be picked 6 times next year.

But Kubiak is a QB coach, and it doesn't shock me in the slightest that he went out and got Schaub. I'm just wondering why you'd do this trade right now if you're Houston. Why not wait until after the draft and see if Brady Quinn falls to us at 6 so you can make that deal for only one second rounder as opposed to two and get a QB with a much better College resume than Schaub?

Schaub will probably be good in Houston, and probably better than Carr, but with all the data we have on QBs these days, I'm not sure I'd trade two seconds and a first round swap for a probable QB when I can get a sure thing cheaper.

Skinsfanatic · 03-21-2007, 03:02 PM

PFT is reporting that the Falcons got 2 2nd round picks and a switch from the 10th pick to the 8th in rnd 1.

FRPLG · 03-21-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinsfanatic

PFT is reporting that the Falcons got 2 2nd round picks and a switch from the 10th pick to the 8th in rnd 1.

That is a rapage then. Schaub, who I think could be very good, has done nothing. If that is what they got then they absolutely should go to jail for highway robbery. Sounds like a deal we'd make.

skinsfan69 · 03-21-2007, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

That is a rapage then. Schaub, who I think could be very good, has done nothing. If that is what they got then they absolutely should go to jail for highway robbery. Sounds like a deal we'd make.

Absolute robbery.

GTripp0012 · 03-21-2007, 04:03 PM

The real once in a lifetime prospect in this draft is Okoye. Dude's a 19 year old with 4 years of college experience. That may never happen again. He's good. Real good. I want him. I'd take him over Johnson 100 times out of 100.

MTK · 03-21-2007, 04:18 PM

I think the Falcons traded the wrong QB.

skinsfan_nn · 03-21-2007, 08:44 PM

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I think the Falcons traded the wrong QB.

Agree.

wilsowilso · 03-21-2007, 04:48 PM

Atlanta got a great deal. Two second round picks and a switch from ten to eight in this years first round. Schaub better be good.

DieHardSince76 · 03-21-2007, 09:44 PM

So much for the theory that the Texans were dying to switch first rounders with us to get Brady Quinn.

GTripp0012 · 03-22-2007, 12:16 AM

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So much for the theory that the Texans were dying to switch first rounders with us to get Brady Quinn.

Well, now the Falcons sit at 8. Okoye played for Petrino at Louisville, so I'm betting that we're going to have to stay ahead of them to get him.

03-21-2007, 02:49 PM	#5
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,591	Re: Texans Reportedly Close to Deal fo Schaub Can someone tell me what Matt Schaub has done in the NFL besides play well in pre season? I know he filled in for Vick a few games and played well. But to apparently trade away Carr and give this guy the job is so stupid. I guess that's why the Texans are the Texans.

03-21-2007, 03:02 PM	#7
Skinsfanatic The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,393	Re: Texans Reportedly Close to Deal fo Schaub PFT is reporting that the Falcons got 2 2nd round picks and a switch from the 10th pick to the 8th in rnd 1.

03-21-2007, 04:03 PM	#10
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: Texans Reportedly Close to Deal fo Schaub The real once in a lifetime prospect in this draft is Okoye. Dude's a 19 year old with 4 years of college experience. That may never happen again. He's good. Real good. I want him. I'd take him over Johnson 100 times out of 100. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

03-21-2007, 04:18 PM	#11
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,049	Re: Texans Reportedly Close to Deal fo Schaub I think the Falcons traded the wrong QB. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-21-2007, 04:48 PM	#13
wilsowilso Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Age: 52 Posts: 2,841	Re: Texans Reportedly Close to Deal fo Schaub Atlanta got a great deal. Two second round picks and a switch from ten to eight in this years first round. Schaub better be good.

03-21-2007, 09:44 PM	#14
DieHardSince76 Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: VA Age: 72 Posts: 23	Re: Falcons Trade Matt Schaub to Houston So much for the theory that the Texans were dying to switch first rounders with us to get Brady Quinn.

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