Gun Restrictions and Your Rights

[12thMan]

First off, good move LadyBrave. Kudos.

I'm not too up to snuff on the current legislation and the ins and outs of current laws. But I will say this, if we think that this incident is going to radically change existing gun laws, we'd better think again.

Also, you have to figure the vast majority of existing gun owners really are responsible and are law abiding citizens.

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

First off, good move LadyBrave. Kudos.

I'm not too up to snuff on the current legislation and the ins and outs of current laws. But I will say this, if we think that this incident is going to radically change existing gun laws, we'd better think again.

Also, you have to figure the vast majority of existing gun owners really are responsible and are law abiding citizens.

I don't think this incident will cause any changes in the law, nor do I feel it should. If it does, the changes will be very minor. I think the current laws are fine for the most part, with the exception of allowing non US citizens to purchase and lack of mental health record access. I do think the states will look more closely at how criminal history and mental health information is disseminated to NICS though. Which is long overdue IMO.

[Hog1]

Why is it we do not lobby for the outlawing of alcohol? Can it not be held responsible for more deaths each year as a result of those under it's influence? Is the alcohol the problem, or the user?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Why is it we do not lobby for the outlawing of alcohol? Can it not be held responsible for more deaths each year as a result of those under it's influence? Is the alcohol the problem, or the user?

Not really. Moderation is the key. Alcohol in and of itself can't be blamed for anything....except tasting good.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Not really. Moderation is the key. Alcohol in and of itself can't be blamed for anything....except tasting good.

YOU are CORRECT!!!!!!! Alcohol cannot be blamed for anything..........and what else cannot be blamed?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I would think that more disclosure from medical records could help. Maybe if someone is admitted to counseling or is taking certain types of drugs, they aren't allowed to have one.

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I would think that more disclosure from medical records could help. Maybe if someone is admitted to counseling or is taking certain types of drugs, they aren't allowed to have one.

That's exactly what I feel should be done. The easiest solution for this is that anyone who seeks treatment for a mental condition either voluntarily or involuntarily would be subject to an evaluation for firearms as well. What I mean by that is if while in treatment, a doctor is alerted to a specific type of behavior he deems dangerous, then the doctor would be required to send a notice to NICS. It could be a temporary notice or a permanent one. The only way that person could get the alert taken off would be for them to have their doctor to contact NICS or by a court order. That way there is an alert in a national database for everyone else to see when they are running backgrounds.

The problem is the NRA and the privacy folks will jump all over this. They might agree that it's a good idea in part, but will make the argument that if we do it, then we will begin sliding down a slippery slope.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

That's exactly what I feel should be done. The easiest solution for this is that anyone who seeks treatment for a mental condition either voluntarily or involuntarily would be subject to an evaluation for firearms as well. What I mean by that is if while in treatment, a doctor is alerted to a specific type of behavior he deems dangerous, then the doctor would be required to send a notice to NICS. It could be a temporary notice or a permanent one. The only way that person could get the alert taken off would be for them to have their doctor to contact NICS or by a court order. That way there is an alert in a national database for everyone else to see when they are running backgrounds.

The problem is the NRA and the privacy folks will jump all over this. They might agree that it's a good idea in part, but will make the argument that if we do it, then we will begin sliding down a slippery slope.

That gives doctors alot of power.

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by firstdown

That gives doctors alot of power.

Not really. They already have the power to commit you if they see fit and that's based on their observations only. You don't have to do anything violent to justify being committed. Many times people voluntarily commit themselves and once they are evaluated, a doctor can turn that into an involuntary commitment if they are concerned you may be a danger to yourself or others.

[FRPLG]

Oh and I don't own a gun and probably never will. But ask anyone who is alive today because they had a gun whether the country should take that right away because OTHERS do bad things with them. I don't think many of them would support that.

[firstdown]

Here is a site which list reasons of death in the USA. Just do a quick stroll down and check out the the different charts its kind of interesting.

CAUSES OF DEATH

[dmek25]

one of my buddies was just bragging at work the other day because he had just purchased an AK 47. what exactly would someone use that for?

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by dmek25

one of my buddies was just bragging at work the other day because he had just purchased an AK 47. what exactly would someone use that for?

They're used to hunt today's super animals like the flying squirrel and the electric eel...

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

They're used to hunt today's super animals like the flying squirrel and the electric eel...

Moose and squirrel!

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by dmek25

one of my buddies was just bragging at work the other day because he had just purchased an AK 47. what exactly would someone use that for?

Now that is a good question. I see no good reason for assault weapons being legal.