Joyner: Cooley underrated

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I do think he is "replaceable". Guys like Heap, Miller, Witten, CLark and a handful of others are just as skilled and talented but he is a home grown guy who plays his butt off and seems like a locker room leader type and you'd have to pay those other guys just as much. This is a case, as it often is, where a guy, based on talent and skill alone, is worth a certain amount on the open market and based on chemistry and so forth is worth a little more to us. No need to le thim walk unless his contract demands are just out of line. Give him a top 5 deal/extension and move on to Taylor. It would be silly to let it get to the point where he would leave.

You can't replace Cooley, he is very HUMBLE, team-player, does everything what coaches ask of him, he never drop ball (thanks to someone in earlier strings to remind me, I never realized that until he brought it up), and everything.. And u say that he is replaceable?

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

You can't replace Cooley, he is very HUMBLE, team-player, does everything what coaches ask of him, he never drop ball (thanks to someone in earlier strings to remind me, I never realized that until he brought it up), and everything.. And u say that he is replaceable?

did you watch all the games? cooley dropped his fair share

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

You can't replace Cooley, he is very HUMBLE, team-player, does everything what coaches ask of him, he never drop ball (thanks to someone in earlier strings to remind me, I never realized that until he brought it up), and everything.. And u say that he is replaceable?

I think TE in the NFL is an easy position to fill unless you have Gates, Gonzalez or even Kellen Winslow. Yes, I said Winslow. He led in NFL in TE receptions his first year on the field with a suspect QB so he is a serious difference maker. Cooley is not A. Gates or T. Gonzalez. So he is replaceable IMO. But no question he is very valubale part of our offense and seems to have real good chemistry with JC.

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It just comes down to the whole concept of who is replaceable or not.

The reason I wanted Okoye so bad in the draft is because we will never ever be able to aquire someone like him again.

The same goes for Cooley. His game is so unique from every other TE that if you let him walk, now you have to change the whole offense to account for that.

Derrick Dockery was a loss, but not an irreplaceable one. Cooley could not be replaced.

Lets wait to see what Okoye really is. How about waiting to see what Landry is as well. Dockery......who is that????????

Cooley is definately the man. Would hate to loose him.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I try to not get too attached to players, but Cooley is one guy that if the Skins let walk, I'd seriously be disappointed. He's a character and he's a baller. Hard to hate on that.

Oh come on matty, you know you have big MAN LOVE for the CAPT......

And of course I certainly hope we have learned, he's a MUST KEEP! Sign him to a Witten like contract 6+6 up front, long term deal and be done with it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I try to not get too attached to players, but Cooley is one guy that if the Skins let walk, I'd seriously be disappointed. He's a character and he's a baller. Hard to hate on that.

So was Pierce. Dude came in as an undrafted FA and became a starter and a leader on our defense. But I understand what your saying about Cooley. It's hard not to like him, and his laid back attitude.

[Hog1]

Cooley is a whole different guy under JC. Brunell had probs hitting him on the fly. JC drills him in stride, and is going to seriously add to his YAC

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Did you say Cooley was replaceable?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Did you say Cooley was replaceable?

Yes I did. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy and I think he can be a top 5 TE. But he's not Gates or Tony G. I mean Gates is clearly the best TE in football. If Cooley were to leave ( I hope like hell he doesn't) we could go out and get someone who could do what Cooley does, or draft someone who has comparable skills. You don't agree?

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yes I did. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy and I think he can be a top 5 TE. But he's not Gates or Tony G. I mean Gates is clearly the best TE in football. If Cooley were to leave ( I hope like hell he doesn't) we could go out and get someone who could do what Cooley does, or draft someone who has comparable skills. You don't agree?

I most definitely do not agree. It's rare to find someone with such a combination of hands, blocking and running abilities. You're citing Gates as the best TE in football right now, but I'd have to differ in the fact that when you have the offense they do, it's easy to look good. While I think that Gates is top three, I think Gonzo is the best.

I'm also not taking anything away from Winslow, but if you're asking me who I'll take ANY Sunday between Cooley and Winslow, give me Cooley each and every day.

I can't even remember the best tight end prospect last year, but can you think of ANY TE that really tore up the league last year? If he was so easily replaceable, you'd think that SOMEONE drafted would even come close to duplicating his stats and I don't think that anyone did.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I most definitely do not agree. It's rare to find someone with such a combination of hands, blocking and running abilities. You're citing Gates as the best TE in football right now, but I'd have to differ in the fact that when you have the offense they do, it's easy to look good. While I think that Gates is top three, I think Gonzo is the best.

I'm also not taking anything away from Winslow, but if you're asking me who I'll take ANY Sunday between Cooley and Winslow, give me Cooley each and every day.

I can't even remember the best tight end prospect last year, but can you think of ANY TE that really tore up the league last year? If he was so easily replaceable, you'd think that SOMEONE drafted would even come close to duplicating his stats and I don't think that anyone did.

Cooley would not be easily replaceable. But it's not like we couldn't find someone who could catch 60-70 balls and 5-7 TD's. I think we as Redskins fans tend to think that our players are the best becasue they play for The Redskins, and we get attached to them. Ask yourself this question. If Cooley played for Dallas would you still feel the same way about him?

That is my point on TE's. No one really tore it up. Winslow had 90 catches but only scored like 2-3 times and didn't crack 1,000 yards. It's not a position where you need to make a huge investment.

[bedlamVR]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Cooley would not be easily replaceable. But it's not like we couldn't find someone who could catch 60-70 balls and 5-7 TD's. I think we as Redskins fans tend to think that our players are the best becasue they play for The Redskins, and we get attached to them. Ask yourself this question. If Cooley played for Dallas would you still feel the same way about him?

That is my point on TE's. No one really tore it up. Winslow had 90 catches but only scored like 2-3 times and didn't crack 1,000 yards. It's not a position where you need to make a huge investment.

Okay now you are on crack ...

One of my favorite Cowboys players has to be Witten.. he is a chain mover as is Cooley . I actually don't rate Gates that much, he is amongst the best in the leauge but he is esentially a converted basket ball player with limited moves, speed and has questionable blocking skills . What SD do well with him is ask him to go out there and esentially go for the jump balls .

You have the great TE's in history like Mike Ditka etc but they are often overlooked . In the Dallas reign of terror 92-96 I think the most valuble offensive players they had were in order, Aikmen, Smith, Novacheck, Allen, Irvin .

When I think of great TEs right now i like Ben Watson in NE, Dallas Clark as fantasy stud last year on my team, Jason Witten, Chris Cooley, Tony G - but only as a pass catcher, he is not the best blocker in the world, Vernon Davis - was ripping it up before his injury, and Kelen Winslow .

I also think the eara of the great TE is still to come but if you have a top flight all round skills like Cooley you do not let him walk because you simply cannot go out and replace them. It is a undervalued possition in the collages and NFL, often spare tackles who can catch get stuck on the end as a TE.

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Cooley would not be easily replaceable. But it's not like we couldn't find someone who could catch 60-70 balls and 5-7 TD's. I think we as Redskins fans tend to think that our players are the best becasue they play for The Redskins, and we get attached to them. Ask yourself this question. If Cooley played for Dallas would you still feel the same way about him?

That is my point on TE's. No one really tore it up. Winslow had 90 catches but only scored like 2-3 times and didn't crack 1,000 yards. It's not a position where you need to make a huge investment.

Yeap your on CRACK for sure.

First of all fans are attached to Cooley because he's one of the VERY BEST TE in the entire league, and happens to be a SKIN! As you can tell by stats witten has been getting his respect as deserved, but Cooley isn't a cowgirl so what's the point? If your Really Good, your Really Good doesn't matter what team you play for?

If you don't think a top TE in the league is a big investment, your dead wrong, just look at the top TE's contracts in the league, witten, heap, shockey, or any top 5 TE for instance, maybe then you'll understand a top TE in the league is starting to require a big check.

With that said Cooley is a premier TE in this league and needs to be paid accordingly in DC!

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Cooley would not be easily replaceable. But it's not like we couldn't find someone who could catch 60-70 balls and 5-7 TD's. I think we as Redskins fans tend to think that our players are the best becasue they play for The Redskins, and we get attached to them. Ask yourself this question. If Cooley played for Dallas would you still feel the same way about him?

That is my point on TE's. No one really tore it up. Winslow had 90 catches but only scored like 2-3 times and didn't crack 1,000 yards. It's not a position where you need to make a huge investment.

Seriously, if that was easily possible, don't you think that teams would do that on a yearly basis? There's a reason people lock TEs up to long term contracts...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I most definitely do not agree. It's rare to find someone with such a combination of hands, blocking and running abilities. You're citing Gates as the best TE in football right now, but I'd have to differ in the fact that when you have the offense they do, it's easy to look good. While I think that Gates is top three, I think Gonzo is the best.

I'm also not taking anything away from Winslow, but if you're asking me who I'll take ANY Sunday between Cooley and Winslow, give me Cooley each and every day.

I can't even remember the best tight end prospect last year, but can you think of ANY TE that really tore up the league last year? If he was so easily replaceable, you'd think that SOMEONE drafted would even come close to duplicating his stats and I don't think that anyone did.

Cooley, Heap, Crumpler. No specific order.

Here's a point I'd like to bring up: Vernon Davis was the 5th overall pick in 2006, because of some incredible set of athletic skills regarding a TE. Now I want everybody to think about that for a second. A TE who is small and can't block but can run 4.3 and jump really high.

That doesn't sound like a TE to me at all. It sounds like SF drafted a receiver who was just playing out of position. Now, a receiver with 4.3 speed really isn't all that special. But this is a thought process that apparently never occured to the 49ers while doing this.

This is the ultimate proof that TEs are valued improperly. And while Antonio Gates is a wonderful fantasy TE, what exactly does scoring TD's prove if you can't block a lick?

Cooley, Heap, and Crumpler are all average to good blockers and smart receivers in the open field. Gonzo should still be in this conversation, but at this point in his career, probably is no longer the elite player at his position. Gates should be the No. 1 TE in fantasy, but when in comes to value to his team, he clearly is quite overrated.

Winslow>Gates, but hes not a wonderful blocker either.