McNabb says black QBs criticized more

[WillH]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

But Rush' comments were wrong. He basically said that McNabb was overrated and the defense carried the team. That is just a ridicules statement. He got his team to 3 or 4 straight NFC Champ. games and a SB??? With average to below WR's ??? C'mon! If Jason Campbell does that we all would be kisssing his ass too.

McNabb has thrown waaaaaaay more TD's then Int's. Without question when he is healthy he is a very very good NFL qb. Just ask NFL defensive coordinators. I doubt they would say he is overrated.

I did not have a problem with Rush saying the media wants blacks to do well. If he feels that way fine. Just back it up with an accurate statement. In this case it was simply not accurate.

Good points here, I was a little bewildered reading through the thread and seeing so many people defend Rush. Im not saying he should have been fired for his comment, but it was definitely not accurate, and in my opinion in bad taste.

That said, McNabbs comments are just as tasteless and demeaning, if not more so.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by WillH

Good points here, I was a little bewildered reading through the thread and seeing so many people defend Rush. Im not saying he should have been fired for his comment, but it was definitely not accurate, and in my opinion in bad taste.

That said, McNabbs comments are just as tasteless and demeaning, if not more so.

The thing is none of us are in McNabb's shoes. Just watched the whole piece on HBO. He had to grow up w/ racism through his childhood. He has had to deal w/ the NAACP giving him shit. The whole T.O. BS, and not to mention is a-hole Philly fans who don't even like the guy. I'm not saying I agree with his comments cause I don't. He needs to keep his mouth shut or it's just going to get worse. But I certainly understand why he said it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

But Rush' comments were wrong. He basically said that McNabb was overrated and the defense carried the team. That is just a ridicules statement. He got his team to 3 or 4 straight NFC Champ. games and a SB??? With average to below WR's ??? C'mon! If Jason Campbell does that we all would be kisssing his ass too.

McNabb has thrown waaaaaaay more TD's then Int's. Without question when he is healthy he is a very very good NFL qb. Just ask NFL defensive coordinators. I doubt they would say he is overrated.

I did not have a problem with Rush saying the media wants blacks to do well. If he feels that way fine. Just back it up with an accurate statement. In this case it was simply not accurate.

At the time Limbaugh made his comments, the Eagles were a 1-3 team in 2003 coming off a home conference championship loss the previous season. McNabb was already a three time pro bowler with virtually no production in those three seasons. Completion percentages of 58, 57.8, and 58.2 respectively, and yards per attempt of 5.9, 6.6, and 6.3 respectively. No serious weapons, maybe. But how can anyone in their right mind say that 4 weeks into a disappointing 2003 season for the Eagles, that McNabb wasn't overrated?

Since then, McNabb got his 2003 season on track and had an outstanding 2004, and appeared to prove Rush dead wrong. But then again, add two more seasons of data (plus this season), and 2004 begins to look more like an abberation than anything.

It's hard to complement the guy for his TD/INT ratio when the Eagles throw the ball so much around the goal line. While 31 other teams will pound it in, McNabb gets his TD totals inflated. Low INTs, fine, he's earned that title over many seasons, but don't compare it against TDs! Compare it against attempts.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

At the time Limbaugh made his comments, the Eagles were a 1-3 team in 2003 coming off a home conference championship loss the previous season. McNabb was already a three time pro bowler with virtually no production in those three seasons. Completion percentages of 58, 57.8, and 58.2 respectively, and yards per attempt of 5.9, 6.6, and 6.3 respectively. No serious weapons, maybe. But how can anyone in their right mind say that 4 weeks into a disappointing 2003 season for the Eagles, that McNabb wasn't overrated?

Since then, McNabb got his 2003 season on track and had an outstanding 2004, and appeared to prove Rush dead wrong. But then again, add two more seasons of data (plus this season), and 2004 begins to look more like an abberation than anything.

It's hard to complement the guy for his TD/INT ratio when the Eagles throw the ball so much around the goal line. While 31 other teams will pound it in, McNabb gets his TD totals inflated. Low INTs, fine, he's earned that title over many seasons, but don't compare it against TDs! Compare it against attempts.

Let me ask you something. Outside of T.O. who in the hell has the guy had as a decent NFL WR? Who has done more with less around him? So what if they pass alot. The coach has to have confidence in the QB to throw alot. Only certain QB's can handle that type of gameplan. Did you watch NE the other night? How many coaches have the confidence in their QB to run that type of gameplan? Maybe 4-5 QB's in the league can do that. Brady is one of them and so is McNabb when he is healthy.

Plus how many times has McNabb broken down a defense with his mobility? That is what makes him a very good QB. There are times when people are covered and it just breaks the back of a defense when he makes 1st down w/ his legs. It's not all about passing stats. We should know that from Mon. cause JC made some great plays running that kept drives alive.

Any football fan knows McNabb has the respect of the guys he plays against. Any football fan knows he has the respect of NFL defensive coordinators. So to say he is overrated is just a silly comment made by someone who doesn't know shit about football. He was 1-3 and that is how you judge the guy? You judge the whole picture, not 4 games. Simply ridicules. Rush got fired for his comments about McNabb. He probably should have gotten fired cause of his football IQ.

[70Chip]

I don't know what Donovan is talking about. Last night he played like shit and the announcers were still blaming his receivers and offering numerous other excuses for his awful play. Then they put Charles Barkley on to basically say the Philly fans are ungrateful and that Donovan is great, blah, blah, blah,time to turn the sound down. The media that cover the NFL love Donovan for some reason. I don't think it's because of race. I don't think it's because of anything he's done on the field. Maybe it's because he reminds them of Will Smith. I have no idea. But for him to claim he's being treated unfairly is ludicrous.

[hooskins]

Look at this quote

"There's not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra," McNabb tells HBO. "Because the percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play ... is low, so we do a little extra."


How can he just make a claim like that so confidently as if it were a statistic? I guess I understand his comments based on his upbringing but there has to be a better way of addressing his concerns and viewpoints. He just sounds like a person finding excuses.

As WillH said before if he cares so much about race issues he should be advocating for blacks in the workplace and in other jobs where there is clear discrimination.

[djnemo65]

McNabb is not a race relations scholar so I think we give him too much credit when we take what he says or has said so seriously. In this case it seems a little convenient that he waits until his job security is dangerously low to bring this up.

But in response to this thread, just because McNabb is kind of a dummy on this particular issue doesn't mean there isn't racism in America anymore.

[hagams]

Regardless of his situation, throwing the race card when it's not required is serious buisness. It causes a lot of problems in the working class, it must have some type of impact in the looker room. I don't think he's getting these problems because he's black. I've been around a few racial tension fueled problems, and there's never just one person to come forward and say "this is wrong, and it's racist". I think if race was the driving factor, we would see a couple more Eagles coming forward to support Don.
Fans are going to say anything to get in your head, and in phily I can only imagine what's being said. Some pretty harsh fans up there, and I wouldn't want to play there, but they are fans and unfortunatly allowed to say what they want, be it right or wrong.
Media isn't going to throw the race of a struggling person into play because it's career suicide. So it's not coming from there.
Teamates are going to throw the race card because of what it will do for the franchise, team chemistry, and leauge.
So, where is the race card coming from? Not saying that it doesn't happen, I know there are STUPID (Ignorant is not knowing any better, stupid is knowing better, but doing it anyway.)

[stbabyy]

mcnabb is a whiney baby

[DEVIL'S OWN]

oh boy........:confused:

[birdz4gibbs]

it,s all about playmaking abilities.. for me i much rather face pennigton than mcnabb cause his record against us shows that too.

accuracy is great but playmaking is what seperates the best from the rest..

[Texanskin]

Listen...if your not black please at least try to understand where he is coming from. The first thing people do is try to discredit what he is saying before really assessing WHY he made the statement. Yes, there are plenty of black quarterbacks today. But this is 2007 and I bet you cant name 25 quarterbacks in 75 years of the NFL. So when someone makes a statement that involves how he feels about history, people should not become so defensive and become more understanding as to WHY he said it.
****lets not forget this statement was made weeks before we beat the eagles. So at the time he was considered one of the best in the game****

I could go on & on. But being black there are things that you do have to do better than your white counterparts even in 2007. So I UNDERSTAND his statement but DO NOT USE it as an excuse for poor performance on the field.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Texanskin

I could go on & on. But being black there are things that you do have to do better than your white counterparts even in 2007. So I UNDERSTAND his statement but DO NOT USE it as an excuse for poor performance on the field.

Good points.

If Donovan had come out and said, "hey guys, don't you think I'm being unfairly critized based on a two game sample under special circumstances," I would be behind him 100%. At the end of the season when the Eagles offense starts producing like they should be and they compete for/make the playoffs, this early season criticism will be far in the mirror.

The problem is that he's trying to project his problem onto african-american quarterbacks around the league to get some extra support. Does anyone here think Steve McNair is being unfairly criticized? Jason Campbell? How about Tavaris Jackson? Byron Leftwich? Well...maybe Leftwich, but because of race?

He really has been overly sensitive to criticizms since the 2005 season and feels the need to defend himself in the media. While ignoring the media coverage is easier said than done, his best bet is to try to keep a low profile for awhile. Don't give pressers and whatnot. Things that you don't mean keep being said, and he may be wearing out his welcome with the mainstream fans.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Good points.

If Donovan had come out and said, "hey guys, don't you think I'm being unfairly critized based on a two game sample under special circumstances," I would be behind him 100%. At the end of the season when the Eagles offense starts producing like they should be and they compete for/make the playoffs, this early season criticism will be far in the mirror.

Just FYI, this interview was taped in August. The airing date was particularly bad timing and I've no doubt that this was not accidental on the part of the show's producers.

[redskinsfanatic]

i'm a white man with many black friends who i gladly call my brothers.racism does rear its ugly head very frequent here in the south.i have seen the klan march all over this area,especially when i was younger.but maybe other than the jimmy the greek/linnbaugh examples,i can't ever remember the race issue in i the NFL.i would also stress anybody that has been talked at more than peyton manning till he won the superbowl last year.maybe only john elway,and jim kelly have ever been raked over the media coils more!