Clinton Portis

BrunellMVP? · 09-24-2007, 11:52 AM

you know that sellers play worked really well in the past (the year he had like 6 TDs for a total of 8 yards), so i don't mind the call...

as for betts- i agree, should have been someone else, but really...i'm not sure it would have made a difference....the calls were bad..too transparent as the giants were in the backfield...

EternalEnigma21 · 09-24-2007, 12:05 PM

yeah I wouldve rather had portis searching for paydirt than betts... but in that situation on the one yardline I wouldve handed it to sellers or done a QB sneak...

TrustinGibbs · 09-24-2007, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by canthetuna

yeah I wouldve rather had portis searching for paydirt than betts... but in that situation on the one yardline I wouldve handed it to sellers or done a QB sneak...

Agree'd...whats wrong with your 280+ pound FB plowing in from a yard out and whatever happened to letting your rather big QB sneak it in? They rushed when they didn't have to(something Campbell will learn to take control of) and didn't have the right back in the game but you still need to score there with three shots even if it is with what is in reality a real good back up running back.

They need to find their offensive identity and Portis needs to play a bigger role in that if they are to contend for the playoffs.

skinsfan69 · 09-24-2007, 12:45 PM

The bottom line is Portis fumbled and didn't catch a pass that would have helped keep a drive alive. Maybe we need to bring in Rock.

Southpaw · 09-24-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The bottom line is Portis fumbled and didn't catch a pass that would have helped keep a drive alive. Maybe we need to bring in Rock.

How the hell is that the bottom line, when Betts had the opportunity to tie up the game and failed twice? It sounds like your only defense of Betts lack of ability is that Portis had a bad play too. That's a ridiculous argument.

And as far as the Portis fumble; it was a bad exchange. Portis never even had possession of the ball. And the dropped pass is bad, but those plays happen. What's your defense for Betts' less than two yard rush average?

jdlea · 09-24-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

How the hell is that the bottom line, when Betts had the opportunity to tie up the game and failed twice? It sounds like your only defense of Betts lack of ability is that Portis had a bad play too. That's a ridiculous argument.

And as far as the Portis fumble; it was a bad exchange. Portis never even had possession of the ball. And the dropped pass is bad, but those plays happen. What's your defense for Betts' less than two yard rush average?

No man, Betts is better because Portis fumbled and dropped a pass. It doesn't matter what Ladell Betts did or didn't do, the argument ends at Clinton fumbled. Betts's continued red zone ineffectiveness has nothing to do with this argument. Or Clinton's averaging 3 yards more per carry yesterday than yesterday. Clinton fumbled a handoff on twice the workload...that means Betts should be in there...even if he can't average 2 yards a carry, break a tackle or score with 2 opportunities from the 2 yard line.

The Zimmermans · 09-24-2007, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

No man, Betts is better because Portis fumbled and dropped a pass. It doesn't matter what Ladell Betts did or didn't do, the argument ends at Clinton fumbled. Betts's continued red zone ineffectiveness has nothing to do with this argument. Or Clinton's averaging 3 yards more per carry yesterday than yesterday. Clinton fumbled a handoff on twice the workload...that means Betts should be in there...even if he can't average 2 yards a carry, break a tackle or score with 2 opportunities from the 2 yard line.

DID you just argue with yourself? You can't base what portis is gonna do on the next play based on his last play.

EternalEnigma21 · 09-25-2007, 02:29 AM

yeah... if we're talking about fumbling tendancies and we're saying we should play betts over portis due to them... wow. thats all i can think to say...

I re-watched this play and there was a gaping hole outside that he could've hit had he looked at it, but it looked like he was just searching for a quick cut-back lane and I dont know if he would've had the speed to get there anyway. I know CP could've, but we'll never know if he wouldve... however Mike Sellars would've been my call at least one of those times...

jsarno · 09-25-2007, 03:12 AM

Let's make this simple.

Betts, 596 career carries, 9 tds. (avg of a TD every 66.22 carries)
Portis, 1433 career carries, 55 tds. (avg of a TD every 26.05 carries)

Yeah, I have a problem with Betts carrying the ball with the game on the line instead of Portis.

Nuff Said!

offiss · 09-25-2007, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

Let's make this simple.

Betts, 596 career carries, 9 tds. (avg of a TD every 66.22 carries)
Portis, 1433 career carries, 55 tds. (avg of a TD every 26.05 carries)

Yeah, I have a problem with Betts carrying the ball with the game on the line instead of Portis.

Nuff Said!

It's not fair to site Portis's stats when he was in Denver, if Betts was in denver those stats could easily be reversed, Betts and Portis as Skins comparatively, Betts has averaged more yards per carry than Portis.

Luxorreb · 09-25-2007, 04:03 AM

I'm pretty sure Portis was hurting the entire 2nd half. He came out on that last drive. We could all say shoulda coulda woulda at this point. Only real thing is none of that matters now. I'll guarantee ya it won't happen again. We also gotta remember that the game was not lost on that pathetic drop in the backfield. It was the 21 unanswered points and ineffective offense the entire 2nd half. You leave a defense out there what do you expect!? Can't wait til after the bye week. Can't believe players don't have to report!? What kinda bullcrap is that?

irish · 09-25-2007, 06:55 AM

According to Gibbs, Betts and Portis nare interchangeable. I think Gibbs may be going senile if he thinks those backs are interchangeable.

djnemo65 · 09-25-2007, 07:13 AM

So we are turning on Betts now too? Next how about a thread about how the equipment managers screwed up.

This has got to be the worst week on the warpath I can remember.

MTK · 09-25-2007, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by djnemo65

So we are turning on Betts now too? Next how about a thread about how the equipment managers screwed up.

This has got to be the worst week on the warpath I can remember.

Definitely the most ridiculous

irish · 09-25-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by djnemo65

So we are turning on Betts now too? Next how about a thread about how the equipment managers screwed up.

This has got to be the worst week on the warpath I can remember.

Who is turning on Betts?

09-24-2007, 11:52 AM	#1
BrunellMVP? Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 726	Re: Clinton Portis you know that sellers play worked really well in the past (the year he had like 6 TDs for a total of 8 yards), so i don't mind the call... as for betts- i agree, should have been someone else, but really...i'm not sure it would have made a difference....the calls were bad..too transparent as the giants were in the backfield... __________________ in writing these daily letters and trying to make them interesting it is always possible that some sentiment may occur which has not received the severe and deliberate scrutiny and reconsideration which should attach to a State Paper. - Churchill

09-24-2007, 12:05 PM	#2
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carbondale CO Age: 46 Posts: 2,958	Re: Clinton Portis yeah I wouldve rather had portis searching for paydirt than betts... but in that situation on the one yardline I wouldve handed it to sellers or done a QB sneak... __________________ I am the brute squad.

09-24-2007, 12:45 PM	#4
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,584	Re: Clinton Portis The bottom line is Portis fumbled and didn't catch a pass that would have helped keep a drive alive. Maybe we need to bring in Rock.

09-25-2007, 02:29 AM	#8
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carbondale CO Age: 46 Posts: 2,958	Re: Clinton Portis yeah... if we're talking about fumbling tendancies and we're saying we should play betts over portis due to them... wow. thats all i can think to say... I re-watched this play and there was a gaping hole outside that he could've hit had he looked at it, but it looked like he was just searching for a quick cut-back lane and I dont know if he would've had the speed to get there anyway. I know CP could've, but we'll never know if he wouldve... however Mike Sellars would've been my call at least one of those times... __________________ I am the brute squad.

09-25-2007, 03:12 AM	#9
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 51 Posts: 9,534	Re: Clinton Portis Let's make this simple. Betts, 596 career carries, 9 tds. (avg of a TD every 66.22 carries) Portis, 1433 career carries, 55 tds. (avg of a TD every 26.05 carries) Yeah, I have a problem with Betts carrying the ball with the game on the line instead of Portis. Nuff Said! __________________ Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin

09-25-2007, 04:03 AM	#11
Luxorreb ^21^ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, Virginia Age: 54 Posts: 1,630	Re: Clinton Portis I'm pretty sure Portis was hurting the entire 2nd half. He came out on that last drive. We could all say shoulda coulda woulda at this point. Only real thing is none of that matters now. I'll guarantee ya it won't happen again. We also gotta remember that the game was not lost on that pathetic drop in the backfield. It was the 21 unanswered points and ineffective offense the entire 2nd half. You leave a defense out there what do you expect!? Can't wait til after the bye week. Can't believe players don't have to report!? What kinda bullcrap is that? __________________ ^21^

09-25-2007, 06:55 AM	#12
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: Clinton Portis According to Gibbs, Betts and Portis nare interchangeable. I think Gibbs may be going senile if he thinks those backs are interchangeable.

09-25-2007, 07:13 AM	#13
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Clinton Portis So we are turning on Betts now too? Next how about a thread about how the equipment managers screwed up. This has got to be the worst week on the warpath I can remember.

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