Are We Better Off Without Moss?

[BDBohnzie]

Moss is having an off year, that's for sure. The WR corps suffers when it's #1 WR is having a bad year, and I think that is the case for the Skins. We are not better off without Moss, however, I think Moss to this point has been misused.

Gibbs 1.0 had the posse. 2 guys that could stretch the field (Clark, Sanders) and one stoic guy who was the possession receiver, the go to guy when you needed that first down (Monk). Gibbs 2.0 hasn't had the stoic possession receiver. They have the 2 guys who can stretch the field (Moss, ARE), but do not have the possession guy. Moss has been playing the possession role, and I think he's cracking under the pressure a bit this year. The drops and injuries are just getting to him to the point where it's affecting his gameplay.

Thrash stepped up huge this past Sunday, and unfortunately a big special teamer is lost now. But, he showed that this team can move the ball down the field in chunks (2 31 yard receptions)

I think the guy the Skins need to look to in the next few weeks is Keenan McCardell. He is the guy that can fill the possession role quite nicely. It will also allow Moss to go back to the role of field stretcher, getting open behind the secondary.

But with injuries to Thrash and Moss, there is another guy who will be fighting for his career, that can step up, as this is a good a time as any, and that's Brandon Lloyd. And while he's seen a poison, this is a great chance to show potential and play down all the talk and whispers that have been going on.

It'll most likely be ARE, McCardell and Lloyd as your 3 receivers this weekend against the Cowboys, and quite honestly, the Redskins could be worse off. However, these 3 guys need to step it up and provide Campbell with huge targets to hit.

[DynamiteRave]

I don't see a thing of it as being better without him but more as a note of saying, we don't necessarily need him to have a solid (*crosses fingers*) receiving core. It seems as if as long as we spread it around and give everyone amply opportunity, along with a pass with good touch, that they'll get it done.

Moss is still #1 and we still need him.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

LOL!! Call me crazy Matty but I still have a hard time thinking the kid can't catch the damn ball. If he isn't in the game he cant catch it, plus if he is getting one ball thrown to him every game, and that ball he get thrown to him is 5 yards over thrown, and he makes an all out effor diving and just goes of the tips, I dont see him making those catches. I have seen this guy play, he can play. he needs to be on the field when they go 3 or 4 wr.

Hell, McCardell caught some balls when they went 3 or 4 wide, even a damn TD. Lloyd can play, he just needs some PT and some balls thrown his way.

I did drink all day and all night yesterday, am I still feeling it??

BL was on the field plenty and did squat. The guy simply doesn't get open for some reason and that has granted him zero confidence from JC. If your QB has no confidence in you then your chances are pretty slim. At this point the only way this works out well for him is if our WRs get totally decimated and BL is the only one left. Then maybe JC would go to him more and they could build some confidence.

[FRPLG]

Actually I know why he doesn't get open. Per JLC he doesn't undestand the scheme and has refused to learn more than one of the WR positions. Our offense requires execution from the WRS since they have to make correct reads and then adjust pre-snap. It means you have to understand the scheme and know what to do in any situation. You don't notice a lot of confusion amongst the other WRs so it can't be that hard. But BL has struggled and/or refused to figure out what the hell he is supposed to do.

He can bend over and kick his own ass out the door as far as I am concerned at this point.

[RMSkins]

Although in recent weeks our offense has been better without Moss. I think that he is definitely our best receiver when healthy, and even if he isn't healthy the opposing defense still has to account for him with double teams and roll coverage because they know what he is capable of especially the Cowboys. In the end I think the offense is better off with Moss in the lineup. On another note I would like to Reche Caldwell get a shot to see what he can do.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Essentially the point I was trying to make.

Well if the case is that JC has a tendency to stare down Moss and not view the field when he is in the game the issue is JC not Moss. He needs to learn to view the field at all times.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Actually I know why he doesn't get open. Per JLC he doesn't undestand the scheme and has refused to learn more than one of the WR positions. Our offense requires execution from the WRS since they have to make correct reads and then adjust pre-snap. It means you have to understand the scheme and know what to do in any situation. You don't notice a lot of confusion amongst the other WRs so it can't be that hard. But BL has struggled and/or refused to figure out what the hell he is supposed to do.

He can bend over and kick his own ass out the door as far as I am concerned at this point.

I remember Sanders saying if you can count to 1-9 then you can play wr in his offense. It's easy for the WR's. Lloyd just sucks and needs to get cut.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

Injuries have derailed him this year, to start the year off him and Campbell were connecting on those deep balls, remember the 49 yard gem against the Giants? We knew before we traded for him, or at least we should have known, that he is a bit injury prone. But when healthy he is definitely a #1 WR, or have we forgotten he did make the Pro Bowl a couple years back?

I'm confused, how is Thrash's good game a black mark on Moss? That's like Bett's production last year reflecting poorly on Portis, and neither one make sense to me. These are good things, if anything when Moss gets healthy that means Thrash as the #3 wideout makes our offense even better, or am I missing the point?

A couple years back doesn't do anything for us now. It's what have you done for me lately? And lately all I've seem from Moss is drops, fumbles and injuries.

When Moss came here he wouldn't do anything until he got a new deal. The queston is did he deserve one? Maybe, maybe not. But he got a new deal and had a great year in 05. But it's 07 and it's time to produce like 05, or take a pay cut or we need to move in another direction.

All of our wr's are well paid and yet as far as production goes they are terrible, with Lloyd being the main culprit. IMO we need to bring in a true #1 wr that is 6'4 or 6'5 and can jump and is tough to deal with inside the red zone. We just don't have anyone that is physically imposing that puts strain on the DB's. We need someone that draws safties to one side of the field. Someone like a Plaxico Burress type to go along with all the little guys we have. IMO that should be our #1 off season priority.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

A couple years back doesn't do anything for us now. It's what have you done for me lately? And lately all I've seem from Moss is drops, fumbles and injuries.

When Moss came here he wouldn't do anything until he got a new deal. The queston is did he deserve one? Maybe, maybe not. But he got a new deal and had a great year in 05. But it's 07 and it's time to produce like 05, or take a pay cut or we need to move in another direction.

All of our wr's are well paid and yet as far as production goes they are terrible, with Lloyd being the main culprit. IMO we need to bring in a true #1 wr that is 6'4 or 6'5 and can jump and is tough to deal with inside the red zone. We just don't have anyone that is physically imposing that puts strain on the DB's. We need someone that draws safties to one side of the field. Someone like a Plaxico Burress type to go along with all the little guys we have. IMO that should be our #1 off season priority.

I really have to agree here. Even though I'm a big fan of Moss, the fact that he's been injured the better part of this season and last isn't good. As I said earlier I really wouldn't be surprised if we go a different direction in the offseason and try to unload him. We need someone who can stay in the lineup and be productive.

[NinjaLink]

We are not better without Santana Moss. He is having a bad season because he is slowed by injuries. When Moss is 100%, he is a very dominant receiver when he catches the ball.

[GTripp0012]

It depends.

In the short term, we are better without Santana. However, in the long term he is still our most talented weapon and we will need him healthy to reach offensive dominance.

Since we are so far from offensive dominance, we really can't do a whole lot with him at this point.

[hail_2_da_skins]

NO! The Redskins need Santana Moss. He is the biggest threat the Redskins have. He can take a simple slant route and take it all the way. He has been hampered by injuries and when he has played, the timing with Jason Campbell has been off. I think that has a lot to do with Moss not being at full speed. Moss has always shown the ability to run under the deep pass. Campbell has put a few out there and Moss is physically incapable of turning on that second gear and running underneath the ball.

I would like to see the Redskins come out and attack the Cowboys from the beginning of the game and not wait until they get behind. In the three wide receiver set, if healthy, I would like to see Moss and Randle El as the wideouts and Keenan McCardell as the possession receiver. In the four wide receiver set, I would like to see Moss and Randle El as the wideouts and Keenan McCardell and James Thrash in the slots.

[LaRon + Sean = Hell 4 U]

He is still our only deep threat wideout.

[firstdown]

The title of this thread is wrong and does not keep with the theme of the week mods change to:
Its Time For Moss To Step Down