Collins & Saunders

70Chip · 12-10-2007, 01:29 PM

The Bears decided to blitz which plays right into Collins strengths. When a team blitzes there are opportunites for a QB who knows the scheme and where he can go with the football quickly. I think the Giants will play coverage, assume they can get pressure with their front four, and force Collins to make big throws in a stadium that usually has a 20 mph wind this time of year. It will be a much greater challenge. At some point you have to be able to run the ball against a team like the Giants and I'm not sure we can

BleedBurgundy · 12-10-2007, 01:30 PM

I said "not confident at all." The man is a career backup. I just don't see him, stepping into the light and taking us to the playoffs. I'd love to see it, but I won't believe it until I do...

SFREDSKIN · 12-10-2007, 01:41 PM

The only way Collins can be successful is, if the O-line gives him time to get rid of the ball. If the opposing D pressures him it could be bad, sacks and INT's are the possibility. From what I've seen is he's slow, I guess will see. Another concern is our DB's are beat up and opposing offenses will be bombing away at us. The good things are that we got a 10 day rest and it's a late game on Sunday.

BrudLee · 12-10-2007, 03:14 PM

I don't know if Collins could throw a football through a pane of glass. He does seem comfortable knowing where to throw it though.

If I'm NY, I'm watching old Chiefs tape. This could be less about matchups and more about scheme.

railcon56 · 12-10-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

SO, what if Collins continues to play amazingly, we win out, make the playoffs, and then Jason is healthy to play the first playoff game? What then?

I say go with Campbell..If he can play and has any mobility...he should start...

redsk1 · 12-10-2007, 03:35 PM

I like the question but let's just try to win a game against the G-men then we can talk a little more. With that being said IF TC wins out i don't think you can put JC in for the playoffs. If we win out it will be b/c of TC's play, so play him.

I do think there is a reason he is a back up and we have NO running game so let's hope they win Sunday.

airsoftking · 12-10-2007, 03:36 PM

he's been good in preseason already and had the exact same look during the bears game. Everything looks easy with him. I just hope he'll be that efficient when we really need him and his experience.

hail_2_da_skins · 12-10-2007, 04:00 PM

I am very pleased that Todd Collins had a very good outing after Jason Campbell's injury. I'm on the fence. I'm not overly confident he can repeat, but I want him to succeed. His success should have nothing to do with Jason Campbell being the starter. Collins may be efficient but Campbell is physically more capable and will eventually become more efficient thus becoming much more valuable. If Collins plays lights out these last three games, he may have to be the playoff quarterback.

JWsleep · 12-10-2007, 04:02 PM

We'll see--the noodle arm has me worried, but he looks comfortable, no doubt. And he's got very nice touch on the ball.

As for JC coming back this year, I don't see the point. Why risk your future, if your backup has taken you to the playoffs? Unless he heals amazingly fast, he's not going to be 100% in the best case scenario.

On opening the playbook for JC, I'd like to have seen them do more, but it's understandable, to be sure. No doubt, Gibbs has serious input there, and they watch tape and try to make it easiest for JC to succeed. And Gibbs so very much hates TOs. (Of course, JC has turned it over anyway, but you see the reasoning.)

Liked Vermeil's comments--hope he's right!

BleedBurgundy · 12-10-2007, 04:12 PM

I don't think Vermeil has ever said a bad word about anybody. So... being slightly effusive in his praise of Collins doesn't do all that much for me. Still, I hope you guys are right.

prinzeofmoval · 12-11-2007, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I'm actually a little pissed that Al's been holding back on the play calling because JC was in there. If he's the guy, then he's the guy. Call the best gameplan to win, not whatever percentage of your "genius" playbook that you think he can handle. That really irritates me.

yeah that does seem kind of stupid..dont waiver your calling because you dont believe in a guy as u do in another

Campbell17 · 12-11-2007, 11:22 AM

The Bears hadn't seen much of him, making his style a surprise, they were ready for JC. When a team has scouted him, there will be a big difference, so this will be unlikely to see the same results.

MTK · 12-11-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

yeah that does seem kind of stupid..dont waiver your calling because you dont believe in a guy as u do in another

It has nothing to do with believing or not believing in a guy. The Redskins fully believe in Campbell, but the reality is he's a first year starter, so he's going to be treated differently than a 10 year vet.

Beemnseven · 12-11-2007, 03:28 PM

For this upcoming game against the Giants, it's not so much about Todd Collins as it is the protection our O-line gives him.

Umenyora and Strahan vs. the Redskins O-line as they're performing right now makes me fear for Collins' health.

railcon56 · 12-11-2007, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Campbell17

The Bears hadn't seen much of him, making his style a surprise, they were ready for JC. When a team has scouted him, there will be a big difference, so this will be unlikely to see the same results.

Collins also benefitted from guys like Moss being healthy and ARE also Randy Thomas returning....

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12-10-2007, 01:29 PM	#31
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 53 Posts: 3,048	Re: Collins & Saunders The Bears decided to blitz which plays right into Collins strengths. When a team blitzes there are opportunites for a QB who knows the scheme and where he can go with the football quickly. I think the Giants will play coverage, assume they can get pressure with their front four, and force Collins to make big throws in a stadium that usually has a 20 mph wind this time of year. It will be a much greater challenge. At some point you have to be able to run the ball against a team like the Giants and I'm not sure we can __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

12-10-2007, 01:30 PM	#32
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Re: Collins & Saunders I said "not confident at all." The man is a career backup. I just don't see him, stepping into the light and taking us to the playoffs. I'd love to see it, but I won't believe it until I do... __________________ "All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine

12-10-2007, 01:41 PM	#33
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Collins & Saunders The only way Collins can be successful is, if the O-line gives him time to get rid of the ball. If the opposing D pressures him it could be bad, sacks and INT's are the possibility. From what I've seen is he's slow, I guess will see. Another concern is our DB's are beat up and opposing offenses will be bombing away at us. The good things are that we got a 10 day rest and it's a late game on Sunday.

12-10-2007, 03:14 PM	#34
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Re: Collins & Saunders I don't know if Collins could throw a football through a pane of glass. He does seem comfortable knowing where to throw it though. If I'm NY, I'm watching old Chiefs tape. This could be less about matchups and more about scheme. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

12-10-2007, 03:35 PM	#36
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Collins & Saunders I like the question but let's just try to win a game against the G-men then we can talk a little more. With that being said IF TC wins out i don't think you can put JC in for the playoffs. If we win out it will be b/c of TC's play, so play him. I do think there is a reason he is a back up and we have NO running game so let's hope they win Sunday.

12-10-2007, 03:36 PM	#37
airsoftking Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: FRANCE Posts: 111	Re: Collins & Saunders he's been good in preseason already and had the exact same look during the bears game. Everything looks easy with him. I just hope he'll be that efficient when we really need him and his experience. __________________ I'm zorny

12-10-2007, 04:00 PM	#38
hail_2_da_skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 68 Posts: 868	Re: Collins & Saunders I am very pleased that Todd Collins had a very good outing after Jason Campbell's injury. I'm on the fence. I'm not overly confident he can repeat, but I want him to succeed. His success should have nothing to do with Jason Campbell being the starter. Collins may be efficient but Campbell is physically more capable and will eventually become more efficient thus becoming much more valuable. If Collins plays lights out these last three games, he may have to be the playoff quarterback. __________________ "HAIL TO THE SKINS"

12-10-2007, 04:02 PM	#39
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,719	Re: Collins & Saunders We'll see--the noodle arm has me worried, but he looks comfortable, no doubt. And he's got very nice touch on the ball. As for JC coming back this year, I don't see the point. Why risk your future, if your backup has taken you to the playoffs? Unless he heals amazingly fast, he's not going to be 100% in the best case scenario. On opening the playbook for JC, I'd like to have seen them do more, but it's understandable, to be sure. No doubt, Gibbs has serious input there, and they watch tape and try to make it easiest for JC to succeed. And Gibbs so very much hates TOs. (Of course, JC has turned it over anyway, but you see the reasoning.) Liked Vermeil's comments--hope he's right! __________________ Hail from Houston!

12-10-2007, 04:12 PM	#40
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	Re: Collins & Saunders I don't think Vermeil has ever said a bad word about anybody. So... being slightly effusive in his praise of Collins doesn't do all that much for me. Still, I hope you guys are right. __________________ "All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." Thomas Paine

12-11-2007, 11:22 AM	#42
Campbell17 Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Haddonfield, NJ Age: 31 Posts: 642	Re: Collins & Saunders The Bears hadn't seen much of him, making his style a surprise, they were ready for JC. When a team has scouted him, there will be a big difference, so this will be unlikely to see the same results. __________________ This time instead of some lousy joke, humerous comment, racial slur, or a famous quote, I will write small, and be the bigger person.

12-11-2007, 03:28 PM	#44
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 50 Posts: 5,311	Re: Collins & Saunders For this upcoming game against the Giants, it's not so much about Todd Collins as it is the protection our O-line gives him. Umenyora and Strahan vs. the Redskins O-line as they're performing right now makes me fear for Collins' health.

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