Tim Hasselbeck needs to start for this team

bridaman51 · 08-10-2004, 12:29 PM

It is real easy to sit back and poke fun at someone for making a honest evaulation by mocking them with ridicoulous comments such as the ones above. I really thought this site was for people to discuss there feelings on the redskins but how can you state a honest opinion without being ridiculed. If someone does not agree that is fine, but to tear down someone else to prove a point that is real mature. I am not normally a person who stoops this kinda of petty level but, I really hope you guys get those jobs as redskins talent scouts because you all do such a great job evaluatin players on here, because I am sure Gibbs is knocking your doors down.

I really dont beleive hasselback will start either I just simply stating he had a good game last night did decently last year for the circumstances he was in. And if he continues to play he should get his shot, he has worked and played hard for it.

MTK · 08-10-2004, 12:45 PM

Sorry if anyone takes my comments the wrong way. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinions.

I'm not trying to make fun of anyone, but to me TH starting is just as ridiculous as saying McCullough should start over Portis.

I'm not trying to ridicule, it's a friendly poke and nothing more. Unforunately it might not come across the same in print.

Redskins_P · 08-10-2004, 12:49 PM

Let's not forget about Ola Kimrin.....he won the game for us. Is John Hall losing his job?

bridaman51 · 08-10-2004, 01:16 PM

Another mature comment... Nice.. it may have been funny the first 15 people who made similar comments.

I am okay it really did not offend me just kinda made me a mad a little that anyone has the right to ridicule anyone here. I have recomended a lot of fellow redskins fans here in SW Va. to this site because I really thought it was different, but a friend of mine (who i told to come here) was ridiculed the same way back in march, he has not posted since, and I had not posted in a while either, I felt bad for telling him to come here because i truley beleived this is not what this site was about. I thought We could talk about football and the redskins, but I know a few of us have been upset with some of the comments and how quickly people will just attack another redskin fan and how quickly people rip the skins and everything about them when something goes wrong. We are all here for the same purpose to enjoy ourselves and talk about football, but it is kinda hard to enjoy yourself if you get ripped apart for making a simple statement. I love football absolutely love it, I have played over 17 years and now am currently coaching little kids the game. I love to talk about football, and analyzing differnt things about the game. I enjoyed reading what everyone rights about different things, and the different views even if they were different then mine, and trust me there has and will be alot of opinions that waver from mine. But to poke fun at someone for making a of the wall comment, come on now. I have no idea who posted this thread, it was not me, I never said hassleback should be listed as the starter but for one preaseason game I beleive he should be espcially if he keeps playing decent. The coaches said it themselves it is a "OPEN" competition, so let it be that way.

I was not offended Matty just sticking up for someone who I beleive was made fun of for no other reason than analyzing the game his way and to me that is wrong. It is okay to disagree.

Hogskin · 08-10-2004, 01:27 PM

Brid,

I also did not intend to upset anyone. It's just that since the game started last evening, there have been a TON of absolutely ridiculous posts that are the result of overreaction. And when they were pointed out, more of the same posts were made. Sometimes it takes a little more of a shake to bring some folks into the world of reality. I'm sure some of these guys have never paid this much attention to the early preseason, or they would not make those posts. The comparisons that were made, it seems to me, should help bring them down to earth. It may even keep them from getting MORE embarrassed by making those kind of statements in a live group...

EEich · 08-10-2004, 02:21 PM

I'm very happy that Tim Hasselbeck is our third QB. Does that offend anyone?

joethiesmanfan · 08-10-2004, 02:31 PM

tired of making excuses for Ramsey. He did not look professional at all, remember the first Dallas game when tim gave us a spark of life and then Ramsey came in and completed the TD to Taylor Jacobs. Ramsey i am now having doubts. So what Tim had backups to play against i want what ever player is gonna help the Redskins. Why do people make up so many excuses for Ramsey but want to trade GArdner? Portis didnt do as well as Mccollough but Portis is a proven winner Whats Ramseys win -loss record as a stater? nuff said. No more blaming Spurrier. Ramsey holds on to the ball too long. With the new rule changes Spurriers offense may have worked? you cant hold and get away with it anymore. Maybe it was just Ramsey?

SmootSmack · 08-10-2004, 03:04 PM

It's interesting that no one has suggested maybe we could use Hasselbeck as trade bait.

Bridaman, I'm sorry that your friend got offended and hasn't posted since. I don't know what the circumstances were but I hope he feels comfortable enough to post again soon.

I think for the most part this site does a good job of not ridiculing other's opinions, and on the rare occassion that someone does make fun of another it's done pretty tongue-in-cheek. The difference of opinions is what makes this site great. All of us love the Redskins and many of us probably joined this site thinking we knew more about the Redskins and football than we really do. Everyone challenging each other and presenting counter opinions keeps our egos in check and makes us smarter fans. Hopefully at the end of the day when you log off the warpath not only have you had a chance to share your passion for the team but maybe you learned a little something new.

That Guy · 08-10-2004, 03:04 PM

if the system isn't designed around your player's strengths and you don't bring in players appropriate for your system, then its not the players' fault entirely... he chose ramsey, he made the system, he gets his share of the blame.

all i can say if you were offended is i'm sorry, but most forums are about 4000x worse, and maybe some thicker skin is required

nothing here is done maliciously. Just saying the idea isn't realistic, we weren't insulting shane etc for having that opinion, but trying to show logic/reasoning flaws.

SkinsRock · 08-10-2004, 03:51 PM

I agree that Hasselbeck is a pro bowl QB.....MATT Hasselbeck, that is!

Seriously though, if for some reason (injuries or some fluke) Tim becomes the starter, I have confidence that he can be a winner under Gibbs. Gibbs knows how to win with a good, but not great QB. That said, I don't think it will come to that.

Hogskin · 08-10-2004, 04:38 PM

Very, very well said, Smack!!

(Welllll, except for the trade bait comment - I disagree - only because he has almost no trade value yet. If we develop him more and showcase him, he could have some nice value.)

SmootSmack · 08-10-2004, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hogskin

Very, very well said, Smack!!

(Welllll, except for the trade bait comment - I disagree - only because he has almost no trade value yet. If we develop him more and showcase him, he could have some nice value.)

Thank you...and yes, Hasselbeck doesn't have trade value now but maybe we can use the summer to develop him into someone who does. Not at the expense of the development of the other two quarterbacks though

RedskinRat · 08-10-2004, 07:08 PM

One of the most important things about this particular fan site: Bring a sense of humor.

Brid, no one is trying to belittle you, just a friendly jab or two.

bridaman51 · 08-10-2004, 07:37 PM

I did not care about jabs at me espcially if they are warranted. Jabs and jokes or whatever are fine, I love to laugh and on numerous occasions i have laughed at comments here. But I never took anything that was said in this thread personnally just felt bad for the poster of the thread. I never said he would be a starter or a pro bowler, just that he should get a chance to showcase what he has if anything in a preseason game. And Jabs that is fine but go back through the thread, I dont know how many times the same joke was told; like i said earlier it could have been funny when the first comment was hey "mcullogh (sp) had a good game lets start him over portis". And it went on from there with the same continous comment or idea. There was nothing worth wild in those other comments, other than to demean the person who posted the thread.

In actuality I am a pretty mellow guy who usually does not let things bother me. For some reason this just go to me, and for that I apologize. I am just a huge football fan who hates the Cowboys and the Ravens.

jdlea · 08-10-2004, 10:33 PM

I don't believe in Mark Brunell and I don't believe in Tim Hasselbeck. I don't think anyone in the NFL throws a more interceptable ball than Hasselbeck. I don't think "catchable" should be allowed to be said; they're professional receivers! They should be able to catch just about anything, all having a quarterback that throws a lollipop does is make it easier for the defense to come down with it.

08-10-2004, 12:45 PM	#32
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	Sorry if anyone takes my comments the wrong way. Everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinions. I'm not trying to make fun of anyone, but to me TH starting is just as ridiculous as saying McCullough should start over Portis. I'm not trying to ridicule, it's a friendly poke and nothing more. Unforunately it might not come across the same in print. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-10-2004, 01:27 PM	#35
Hogskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hartselle, Alabama Age: 83 Posts: 659	Brid, I also did not intend to upset anyone. It's just that since the game started last evening, there have been a TON of absolutely ridiculous posts that are the result of overreaction. And when they were pointed out, more of the same posts were made. Sometimes it takes a little more of a shake to bring some folks into the world of reality. I'm sure some of these guys have never paid this much attention to the early preseason, or they would not make those posts. The comparisons that were made, it seems to me, should help bring them down to earth. It may even keep them from getting MORE embarrassed by making those kind of statements in a live group... __________________ John Shaffer National Fantasy Sports Leagues, Inc. Home of "The BEST Game In Town" since 1990

08-10-2004, 03:04 PM	#38
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	It's interesting that no one has suggested maybe we could use Hasselbeck as trade bait. Bridaman, I'm sorry that your friend got offended and hasn't posted since. I don't know what the circumstances were but I hope he feels comfortable enough to post again soon. I think for the most part this site does a good job of not ridiculing other's opinions, and on the rare occassion that someone does make fun of another it's done pretty tongue-in-cheek. The difference of opinions is what makes this site great. All of us love the Redskins and many of us probably joined this site thinking we knew more about the Redskins and football than we really do. Everyone challenging each other and presenting counter opinions keeps our egos in check and makes us smarter fans. Hopefully at the end of the day when you log off the warpath not only have you had a chance to share your passion for the team but maybe you learned a little something new. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

08-10-2004, 04:38 PM	#41
Hogskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hartselle, Alabama Age: 83 Posts: 659	Very, very well said, Smack!! (Welllll, except for the trade bait comment - I disagree - only because he has almost no trade value yet. If we develop him more and showcase him, he could have some nice value.) __________________ John Shaffer National Fantasy Sports Leagues, Inc. Home of "The BEST Game In Town" since 1990

08-10-2004, 12:29 PM	#31
bridaman51 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Roanoke Virginia Age: 47 Posts: 335	It is real easy to sit back and poke fun at someone for making a honest evaulation by mocking them with ridicoulous comments such as the ones above. I really thought this site was for people to discuss there feelings on the redskins but how can you state a honest opinion without being ridiculed. If someone does not agree that is fine, but to tear down someone else to prove a point that is real mature. I am not normally a person who stoops this kinda of petty level but, I really hope you guys get those jobs as redskins talent scouts because you all do such a great job evaluatin players on here, because I am sure Gibbs is knocking your doors down. I really dont beleive hasselback will start either I just simply stating he had a good game last night did decently last year for the circumstances he was in. And if he continues to play he should get his shot, he has worked and played hard for it.

08-10-2004, 12:49 PM	#33
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 46 Posts: 4,101	Let's not forget about Ola Kimrin.....he won the game for us. Is John Hall losing his job?

08-10-2004, 01:16 PM	#34
bridaman51 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Roanoke Virginia Age: 47 Posts: 335	Another mature comment... Nice.. it may have been funny the first 15 people who made similar comments. I am okay it really did not offend me just kinda made me a mad a little that anyone has the right to ridicule anyone here. I have recomended a lot of fellow redskins fans here in SW Va. to this site because I really thought it was different, but a friend of mine (who i told to come here) was ridiculed the same way back in march, he has not posted since, and I had not posted in a while either, I felt bad for telling him to come here because i truley beleived this is not what this site was about. I thought We could talk about football and the redskins, but I know a few of us have been upset with some of the comments and how quickly people will just attack another redskin fan and how quickly people rip the skins and everything about them when something goes wrong. We are all here for the same purpose to enjoy ourselves and talk about football, but it is kinda hard to enjoy yourself if you get ripped apart for making a simple statement. I love football absolutely love it, I have played over 17 years and now am currently coaching little kids the game. I love to talk about football, and analyzing differnt things about the game. I enjoyed reading what everyone rights about different things, and the different views even if they were different then mine, and trust me there has and will be alot of opinions that waver from mine. But to poke fun at someone for making a of the wall comment, come on now. I have no idea who posted this thread, it was not me, I never said hassleback should be listed as the starter but for one preaseason game I beleive he should be espcially if he keeps playing decent. The coaches said it themselves it is a "OPEN" competition, so let it be that way. I was not offended Matty just sticking up for someone who I beleive was made fun of for no other reason than analyzing the game his way and to me that is wrong. It is okay to disagree.

08-10-2004, 02:21 PM	#36
EEich The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Age: 61 Posts: 1,001	I'm very happy that Tim Hasselbeck is our third QB. Does that offend anyone?

08-10-2004, 02:31 PM	#37
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	tired of making excuses for Ramsey. He did not look professional at all, remember the first Dallas game when tim gave us a spark of life and then Ramsey came in and completed the TD to Taylor Jacobs. Ramsey i am now having doubts. So what Tim had backups to play against i want what ever player is gonna help the Redskins. Why do people make up so many excuses for Ramsey but want to trade GArdner? Portis didnt do as well as Mccollough but Portis is a proven winner Whats Ramseys win -loss record as a stater? nuff said. No more blaming Spurrier. Ramsey holds on to the ball too long. With the new rule changes Spurriers offense may have worked? you cant hold and get away with it anymore. Maybe it was just Ramsey?

08-10-2004, 03:04 PM	#39
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	if the system isn't designed around your player's strengths and you don't bring in players appropriate for your system, then its not the players' fault entirely... he chose ramsey, he made the system, he gets his share of the blame. all i can say if you were offended is i'm sorry, but most forums are about 4000x worse, and maybe some thicker skin is required nothing here is done maliciously. Just saying the idea isn't realistic, we weren't insulting shane etc for having that opinion, but trying to show logic/reasoning flaws.

08-10-2004, 03:51 PM	#40
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 55 Posts: 907	I agree that Hasselbeck is a pro bowl QB.....MATT Hasselbeck, that is! Seriously though, if for some reason (injuries or some fluke) Tim becomes the starter, I have confidence that he can be a winner under Gibbs. Gibbs knows how to win with a good, but not great QB. That said, I don't think it will come to that.

08-10-2004, 07:08 PM	#43
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	One of the most important things about this particular fan site: Bring a sense of humor. Brid, no one is trying to belittle you, just a friendly jab or two.

08-10-2004, 07:37 PM	#44
bridaman51 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Roanoke Virginia Age: 47 Posts: 335	I did not care about jabs at me espcially if they are warranted. Jabs and jokes or whatever are fine, I love to laugh and on numerous occasions i have laughed at comments here. But I never took anything that was said in this thread personnally just felt bad for the poster of the thread. I never said he would be a starter or a pro bowler, just that he should get a chance to showcase what he has if anything in a preseason game. And Jabs that is fine but go back through the thread, I dont know how many times the same joke was told; like i said earlier it could have been funny when the first comment was hey "mcullogh (sp) had a good game lets start him over portis". And it went on from there with the same continous comment or idea. There was nothing worth wild in those other comments, other than to demean the person who posted the thread. In actuality I am a pretty mellow guy who usually does not let things bother me. For some reason this just go to me, and for that I apologize. I am just a huge football fan who hates the Cowboys and the Ravens.

08-10-2004, 10:33 PM	#45
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	I don't believe in Mark Brunell and I don't believe in Tim Hasselbeck. I don't think anyone in the NFL throws a more interceptable ball than Hasselbeck. I don't think "catchable" should be allowed to be said; they're professional receivers! They should be able to catch just about anything, all having a quarterback that throws a lollipop does is make it easier for the defense to come down with it.

Tim Hasselbeck needs to start for this team

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