Does anyone feel as if the Redskins Organization is dismantling Joe Gibb's work?

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So basically your mind is made up no matter what anyone says once the dust settles?

My point is that Snyder preached continuity, but his actions don't line up with his words. If he comes back and says that we're trying to build on the foundation that Gibbs built, then yes, I'm saying that is spin.

I'm not a pure Snyder basher - look at my previous posts during the Gibbs tenure. I was one of the few defending Snyder for deferring to Gibbs on all personnel matters. I was also one of the few that blamed Gibbs for Archuleta, Lloyd, and Duckett, when many others wanted to pin those failures on Snyder and Ceratto.

What angers me, as Boswell put it so well, is that Snyder is razing the house down to the foundation for the FOURTH time this decade. If Jason Campbell ever becomes a great QB, it will have been in spite of all the organizational chaos, not because of it.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

My point is that Snyder preached continuity, but his actions don't line up with his words. If he comes back and says that we're trying to build on the foundation that Gibbs built, then yes, I'm saying that is spin.

I'm not a pure Snyder basher - look at my previous posts during the Gibbs tenure. I was one of the few defending Snyder for deferring to Gibbs on all personnel matters. I was also one of the few that blamed Gibbs for Archuleta, Lloyd, and Duckett, when many others wanted to pin those failures on Snyder and Ceratto.

What angers me, as Boswell put it so well, is that Snyder is razing the house down to the foundation for the FOURTH time this decade. If Jason Campbell ever becomes a great QB, it will have been in spite of all the organizational chaos, not because of it.

Well at least you have now made your excuse for JC.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The second that Gibbs walked out the door at Redskins Park everything was up in the air. Let's face it, Gibbs was the glue that held this entire operation together. With him gone, Snyder needs to find people that he is comfortable and confident working with.

If Williams isn't his guy, fair enough. No matter what happens here I'm not going to play this silly blame game and assume Snyder and Cerrato are just hatching this evil plan to undo Gibbs' work. Gibbs' work came undone the second he stepped down. Once the staff is in place I really hope Snyder will explain what exactly went down in this process so we can get some answers straight from the source, rather than all this speculation because really that's all we're going on right now.

You are absolutely correct, and that's why is has become apearent that everything associated with Joe Gibbs is in jepordy. Perhaps it would have been different had there been time to formulate a plan B ahead of time, but the departure of Gibbs was unexpected, therefore it shouldn't come as a suprise to anyone that changes will be forthcoming.

[skinsnut]

snyder stinks

[rickmmrr]

It's looking more and more like Gibbs 2 will be remembered as a short term gain that ushered in a long term curse. It looks as if Gibbs 2 has made Snyder into a football guru. At least in his own mind.

"If it ain't broke." OH the humanity.

[CPAlltheWay012]

well it would appear Williams is gone...

thanks a f***ing lot snyder..

[JCK and RFK]

Redshikns will never win as long as Snyder is running the show. Same as Dallas and jerry jones.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

the Cowboys HAVE won with Jerry Jones...don't you remember the 90's???

[maxiemom]

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!

It only Took Dan Snyder a couple of weeks to show me once again why I truly despise him: he brought Joe Gibbs out of retirement, who then turned the Redskins back from being the biggest joke in the NFL back into a playoff contender, and true to form, DANNY BOY DESTROYS EVERYTHING ONCE AGAIN! Is he truly insane? Has he absolutely no sense? I am so sick and tired of the horror he has inflicted on the team I have loved since childhood that I can no longer bear to watch. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS MAN? WHY HIRE GIBBS AT ALL IF YOU WON'T EVEN FOLLOW THROUGH ON WHAT HE'S LEFT IN PLACE FOR THE FUTURE? There was no need to rebuild, but this jerk has demolished the building yet again. Someone please find a way to fire the owner!!!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by maxiemom

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!

It only Took Dan Snyder a couple of weeks to show me once again why I truly despise him: he brought Joe Gibbs out of retirement, who then turned the Redskins back from being the biggest joke in the NFL back into a playoff contender, and true to form, DANNY BOY DESTROYS EVERYTHING ONCE AGAIN! Is he truly insane? Has he absolutely no sense? I am so sick and tired of the horror he has inflicted on the team I have loved since childhood that I can no longer bear to watch. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS MAN? WHY HIRE GIBBS AT ALL IF YOU WON'T EVEN FOLLOW THROUGH ON WHAT HE'S LEFT IN PLACE FOR THE FUTURE? There was no need to rebuild, but this jerk has demolished the building yet again. Someone please find a way to fire the owner!!!

See this is the problem right here. You have people have already decided "Everything is destroyed once again" and that this was all Snyder being evil and kicking Williams to the curb, while smearing him. All assumptions from an impatient fanbase that refuses to take a breath and wait for things to play themselves out.

Even if Williams (or his agent, as he already basically did) comes out and says "Look, we have no problem with each other, we just couldn't come to an agreement," it won't matter to anyone because people just don't want to hear it.

And I understand this is largely attributable to Snyder's past reputation, but let's not forget Williams' past reputation is not exactly a rosy one.

But this unfortunately is the eternal damage that has been done to this franchise. There is no trust or patience anymore.

[21 4ever]

We have wasted the last 4 years.

We spent that time rediscovering "Redskins Values": toughness, personal responsibility, humility and the value of victory. Getting back to your values is difficult and now we have players that believe it. Players who will say "I cost us the game because I dropped the pass." "Put it on me and I will run us to victory." Now our owner has proven that he has not embraced these values, but rather has returned to his "Fantasy Football" game but with coaches instead.

I was at the Dallas game on December 30. If you want to know why Saint Joe needed to return to us, you need only look at that victory against a bigger, better team who has also returned to their values of celebrity, arrogance and victory.

GW was the heir apparent that would keep those values going but Snyder wizzed it away.

I hope I am wrong, but I believe we are once again lost.

[SouperMeister]

I wonder how Joe Gibbs feels about all this. My guess is that he's sick over the way Williams was handled in the end. It never would have gone down this way when Gibbs was President of Football Operations. Even if Williams wasn't wanted, you don't leave a valued employee, respected by players and peers, hanging in limbo for nearly two weeks if you pride yourself for running a class organization.

[prinzeofmoval]

come on lets be serious....what has gibbs done his last tenure? Nothing...1-2 in the playoffs..and GW has had spots of greatness as a DC not a head coach(he bombed in Buffalo) and Saunders high power offense works better on Madden 03 with the chiefs then this year with the redskins. I say clean house..the chargers did last year and won more playoff games this season then the last 4 combined..Snyder drew his line you dont make millions by being a idiot

[CPAlltheWay012]

Originally Posted by prinzeofmoval

come on lets be serious....what has gibbs done his last tenure? Nothing...1-2 in the playoffs..and GW has had spots of greatness as a DC not a head coach(he bombed in Buffalo) and Saunders high power offense works better on Madden 03 with the chiefs then this year with the redskins. I say clean house..the chargers did last year and won more playoff games this season then the last 4 combined..Snyder drew his line you dont make millions by being a idiot

WOW... because that's nothing compared to years past:smashfrea

[SFREDSKIN]

Here's a good article from Newsday.com

Snyder driving Redskins' bus off the road again -- Newsday.com