Loose Change

[DynamiteRave]

I just can't believe this skeptic stuff as much as I'd like to, my folks actually saw the plane fly into the Pentagon.

Scientific evidence can't explain that.

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Sorry - but the conspiracy theorists can never be dissuaded or disproven b/c any rational evidence is just considered part of the conspiracy. I am tired of being told I am just not as smart as some moron who's convinced that certain scientifical evidence is gospel. I just don't have the time or inclination to try and disprove every harebrained grassy knoll theory out there.

But - just so you'll feel out home: It's all true. They really are out to get you. And they know where you are, what you do and who you called last night.

BTW - Smootsmack is right. I meant to do that, I never make mistakes and I am part of the conspiracy. (Ooops. Shouldn't have told you that part - Now I'll have to kill you all, delete everyone's memory, modify tax returns, change archival records, ... sigh. It's just so damn hard to run a conspiracy all by yourself).

It's those damn Masons, I tell you. Beware...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

Obv....these fools are bitching at me like it makes them cool. And F you Schneed. I'm a moron? Eat me. You guys are a F-ing joke.....

Hey, they don't need to bitch at you to make themselves cool. They're already cool

Seriously though, we're doing you a favor. If we don't knock some sense into you who will?

Ok, really seriously, I guess we've made our point this "documentary" is hardly scientific proof, and there is plenty to refute it. To watch only this and use it as your basis of proof is pretty ignorant. If that's what you choose to do, your call.

[cpayne5]

This is crazy.

If you think about something long enough, you can convince yourself of anything.

How do you know you just read this post? How do you know gubment suits didn't just come in, use the flashy thingy, and then reprogram your mind to think you just read it?

I find it hilarious that people think the government can be so stupid on one hand, and then turn around and accuse the government of grandiose schemes such as this that would take an enormous amount of scheming and secrecy to pull off. You can't have it both ways.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You're a friggin moron dude.

I concur. The amount of time and effort into responding to this crap makes me die a little. It really isn't worth it.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

It's those damn Masons, I tell you. Beware...

No it's the stonecutters.

Who holds back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Gutenberg a star?
We do! We do!

[jsarno]

I really don't mean to be insulting, but this reminds me of a south park episode. Cartman talked about a conspiracy theory, and Kyle and Stan thought he was a retard. Cartman said 25% of people think there was a conspiracy, and kyle said, "well let's take a sample poll right now, there are 4 of us, and you're a retard." LOL.

I'm trying not to be rude, but I will say this one last thing, anyone that beleives that it was a conspiracy is spitting in the face of all those that lost their lives, ESPECIALLY the rescue workers.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I really don't mean to be insulting, but this reminds me of a south park episode. Cartman talked about a conspiracy theory, and Kyle and Stan thought he was a retard. Cartman said 25% of people think there was a conspiracy, and kyle said, "well let's take a sample poll right now, there are 4 of us, and you're a retard." LOL.

I'm trying not to be rude, but I will say this one last thing, anyone that beleives that it was a conspiracy is spitting in the face of all those that lost their lives, ESPECIALLY the rescue workers.

Definitely agree about the second part

As of the first part, funny you should mention that I was actually looking for a YouTube clip of that just now

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I will say this one last thing, anyone that beleives that it was a conspiracy is spitting in the face of all those that lost their lives, ESPECIALLY the rescue workers.

Why? I don't even think it was a conspiracy or anything, but I'm curious about the conviction to condemn those who question things...

It may be my wiring but I fail to see a logical connection between questioning the story and spitting in the face of the victims.

Maybe I find it hard to swallow because of all of the "If you don't support the war you don't support the troops" propaganda bs that is spread. It seems like it comes from that same mentality and that bothers me...


Not trying to be an asshole, just asking for clarification... from anyone who has that view...

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

Why? I don't even think it was a conspiracy or anything, but I'm curious about the conviction to condemn those who question things...

It may be my wiring but I fail to see a logical connection between questioning the story and spitting in the face of the victims.

Maybe I find it hard to swallow because of all of the "If you don't support the war you don't support the troops" propaganda bs that is spread. It seems like it comes from that same mentality and that bothers me...

Not trying to be an asshole, just asking for clarification... from anyone who has that view...

Like just about everything else, skepticism is good in moderate doses. At a certain point, however, skepticism turns into paranoid lunacy.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Like just about everything else, skepticism is good in moderate doses. At a certain point, however, skepticism turns into paranoid lunacy.

I'm a pretty skeptical person. One of those "believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see" kinda guys. I know its related to trust issues I have, so I have trouble swallowing any story.

I just don't make the connection between being skeptical and being disrespectful.

[drew54]

Remember, Most of Germany under Hitler's rule was PRO Hitler.

Again, who are the sheep. Is it the people who want to question the government, or the people who don't question.

The question really boils down to, Do you trust your gov't to tell you the truth. Should we be told the truth. Could the truth cause a panic. Could the truth cause a revolution. Could the truth make us all go, Duh we already knew that.

I think it is healthy to question how our government is ran. When we stop questioning we are one step closer to sheep.

And I think his question was "Make you think a little, huh?"

Most of the replies to this message were flat out attack calling JGLOTR a Moron.

How many people here think there have been suspicious of moments in our Governments history. Lets see, Pearl Harbor. JFK Assassination. Now weather Roosevelt knew they were coming or Oswald acted alone, did you stop and think about it.


My opinion on the film. Definitely made me think. After reading through all of the other links, made me think some more. Is it possible, maybe. Is it probable, maybe not. Either way there are always some strange coincidents that will raise eyebrows.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

I'm a pretty skeptical person. One of those "believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see" kinda guys. I know its related to trust issues I have, so I have trouble swallowing any story.

I just don't make the connection between being skeptical and being disrespectful.

Well, to further SGG's point, honest skepticism is fine good and healthy. But, skepticism that refuses to relent can be disrespectful to the opposing view and to those that support it.

Question Authority. But if authority answers, do them the courtesy of listening. If you do not, then you are acting with the same arrogance towards authority and towards those that support the authority that you would assign to the authorities themselves.

The irrational skeptic is arrogant and disrespectful at heart - "I know you are lying, no matter what evidence exists. You can't fool me b/c I am, essentially, smarter than you."

In situations like 9/11, where first responders risked their lives, to continue to assert a conspiracy and to question the real cause of the act is to say to those who risked their lives - you were duped, you were played the fool, your "heroism" was nothing more than a show for others.

This was an act of war. Palestinians literally danced in the streets at the news and al-quieda has claimed, proudly, that it was their actions that did this. The first responders actions were not manipulated acts, but authentic acts of heroism.

Crap like "Loose Change" attempts to cheapen those facts by perverting the reality of the situation.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by drew54

Remember, Most of Germany under Hitler's rule was PRO Hitler.

Again, who are the sheep. Is it the people who want to question the government, or the people who don't question.

The question really boils down to, Do you trust your gov't to tell you the truth. Should we be told the truth. Could the truth cause a panic. Could the truth cause a revolution. Could the truth make us all go, Duh we already knew that.

I think it is healthy to question how our government is ran. When we stop questioning we are one step closer to sheep.

And I think his question was "Make you think a little, huh?"

Most of the replies to this message were flat out attack calling JGLOTR a Moron.

How many people here think there have been suspicious of moments in our Governments history. Lets see, Pearl Harbor. JFK Assassination. Now weather Roosevelt knew they were coming or Oswald acted alone, did you stop and think about it.


My opinion on the film. Definitely made me think. After reading through all of the other links, made me think some more. Is it possible, maybe. Is it probable, maybe not. Either way there are always some strange coincidents that will raise eyebrows.

I think, therefore I am. If silly conspiracy theories make you think, great. Can we find "suspicious" moments throughout history - sure. Will fools be led to think foolish thoughts b/c of them? Yes. Will wise men spend lifetimes contemplating them? Probably not.

The mere fact that something "makes you think" does not mean it should be a) given credence; or b) disseminated as thoughtful prose. In each case, foolish or misleading statements can cause considerable harm - by baselessly impugning reputations, by inhibiting people from acting, by spreading calumny, etc.

Did this foolish video make me think. Yes - it made me think, "What a piece of crap, I hope somebody has done the research on it so I don't have to." A brief search and, wa-laa, that which I thought was confirmed. Do I ever need to think about it again? No. As others have done the research, no one ever need think about it again.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by drew54

Remember, Most of Germany under Hitler's rule was PRO Hitler.

Again, who are the sheep. Is it the people who want to question the government, or the people who don't question.

The question really boils down to, Do you trust your gov't to tell you the truth. Should we be told the truth. Could the truth cause a panic. Could the truth cause a revolution. Could the truth make us all go, Duh we already knew that.

I think it is healthy to question how our government is ran. When we stop questioning we are one step closer to sheep.

And I think his question was "Make you think a little, huh?"

Most of the replies to this message were flat out attack calling JGLOTR a Moron.

How many people here think there have been suspicious of moments in our Governments history. Lets see, Pearl Harbor. JFK Assassination. Now weather Roosevelt knew they were coming or Oswald acted alone, did you stop and think about it.


My opinion on the film. Definitely made me think. After reading through all of the other links, made me think some more. Is it possible, maybe. Is it probable, maybe not. Either way there are always some strange coincidents that will raise eyebrows.

Wow. The first person to come on, besides Dynamite Rave, and NOT give me a buncha shit for what I brought up.

Unreal.