John McCain spreading fear about childhood vaccines

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Dumb comment.

If it is so dumb, then why did the Obama campaign just reprimand a campaign worker for using his full name and distribute instructions and talking points on how to refer to the Senator?

Also, why has McCain instructed his campaign not to use Obama's full name?


BECAUSE people will overreact with "dumb comments" and accusing people of attacking Obama with "hate speech" because they used his name.

Sure, there are a lot of dumb comments flying around. Most of them come from the Obama camp.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Buster

If it is so dumb, then why did the Obama campaign just reprimand a campaign worker for using his full name and distribute instructions and talking points on how to refer to the Senator?

Also, why has McCain instructed his campaign not to use Obama's full name?


BECAUSE people will overreact with "dumb comments" and accusing people of attacking Obama with "hate speech" because they used his name.

Sure, there are a lot of dumb comments flying around. Most of them come from the Obama camp.

Well, I'll admit I took it as a dumb comment because of your almost complete bias to the right any time a political discussion takes place. I thought you were simply trying to crack a joke (hence the cheerful emoticon at the end) about your "hatred" of the Obamas and Clintons.

[dmek25]

you guys can save yourself some space around here. just put all the dumb, political nonsense right in this thread

[SmootSmack]

Yeah, I just felt like she was especially being insulting to many who support Obama-whether they be Black, White, Indigo, whatever. I don't claim to be one of them, but I think the majority his supporters (throughout his political history) have legitimate reasons to support him.

I don't think this was the case for Ferraro, but I often wonder when comments such as hers are made are they made on purpose to allow a candidate to swoop in and "save the day" I mean there are so many "fall guys" in politics, I just can't help but think that there is a part of HC's camp that says "Ok, we need to create a situation so bad that Hillary can step right in and look good in return. Maybe, most likely, I'm just being cynical.

As for the sig. Thanks.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah, I just felt like she was especially being insulting to many who support Obama-whether they be Black, White, Indigo, whatever. I don't claim to be one of them, but I think the majority his supporters (throughout his political history) have legitimate reasons to support him.

I think you are right. The majority is a good way to describe the supporters, but what about the others? I do feel there are a lot of supporters that don't have a clue who he is. Why do you think that is?
You are probably right about her intent of the comment as well.

As for the sig. Thanks.

Your welcome.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I think you are right. The majority is a good way to describe the supporters, but what about the others? I do feel there are a lot of supporters that don't have a clue who he is. Why do you think that is?
You are probably right about her intent of the comment as well.

Classic Family Guy

Family Guy - AOL Video

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Classic Family Guy

Family Guy - AOL Video

Gotta love family guy quotes.
That's funny, and sadly based in fact.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Jsarno,

Our country has made great strides in race relations in the past 30 or so years. I think the overwhelming majority of whites are NOT racist. But, racism does exist. There are racist whites, racist blacks, racist Latinos, racist Asians, etc. African Americans overwhelmingly cast their votes for Obama. But, look at the voting demographics in any New England state and compare those stats to the voting demographics in Mississippi and Alabama and you will see a very clear difference in the white vote. In New England, the white vote was pretty much split between Barak and Hillary. In the deep South, the white vote was solidly behind Hillary. (Disclaimer: I obviously do not believe all, or even a majority, of white Southerners are racist.)

As for Obama being "black enough," I simply meant to say that you asserted that Obama was not black enough to qualify as truly black. If you believe that black means someone who is 100% African American, you will soon find that there are very few blacks in the U.S. Historically, people have been labeled black if they appeared black. Obama appears black. Therefore, at least historically speaking, Obama is black.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Jsarno,

Our country has made great strides in race relations in the past 30 or so years. I think the overwhelming majority of whites are NOT racist. But, racism does exist. There are racist whites, racist blacks, racist Latinos, racist Asians, etc. African Americans overwhelmingly cast their votes for Obama. But, look at the voting demographics in any New England state and compare those stats to the voting demographics in Mississippi and Alabama and you will see a very clear difference in the white vote. In New England, the white vote was pretty much split between Barak and Hillary. In the deep South, the white vote was solidly behind Hillary. (Disclaimer: I obviously do not believe all, or even a majority, of white Southerners are racist.)

As for Obama being "black enough," I simply meant to say that you asserted that Obama was not black enough to qualify as truly black. If you believe that black means someone who is 100% African American, you will soon find that there are very few blacks in the U.S. Historically, people have been labeled black if they appeared black. Obama appears black. Therefore, at least historically speaking, Obama is black.

There are other differences, besides perceived racism, between a southern Democrat and a northern Democrat that would cause the numbers to look like they do. Think Huckabee vs McCain in the southern states on the Republican side.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Jsarno,

Our country has made great strides in race relations in the past 30 or so years. I think the overwhelming majority of whites are NOT racist. But, racism does exist. There are racist whites, racist blacks, racist Latinos, racist Asians, etc. African Americans overwhelmingly cast their votes for Obama. But, look at the voting demographics in any New England state and compare those stats to the voting demographics in Mississippi and Alabama and you will see a very clear difference in the white vote. In New England, the white vote was pretty much split between Barak and Hillary. In the deep South, the white vote was solidly behind Hillary. (Disclaimer: I obviously do not believe all, or even a majority, of white Southerners are racist.)

I agree with you there. Please note my quote:

Sure it still exists in certain areas...there are always racists about every race

It actually surprises me Hilary is getting the votes she is throughout the bible belt. The old christians believe that "woman should stay silent in the church" and therefore translates that to life. There is a lot that would believe that a woman should not have power over a man, nevermind the most powerful job on the planet.
Anywho, your comments, I agree with.

As for Obama being "black enough," I simply meant to say that you asserted that Obama was not black enough to qualify as truly black. If you believe that black means someone who is 100% African American, you will soon find that there are very few blacks in the U.S. Historically, people have been labeled black if they appeared black. Obama appears black. Therefore, at least historically speaking, Obama is black.

Thank you for clarification.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

BTW, I think it's hilarious that Ferraro is claiming that Obama wouldn't be a candidate if he were white. Yeah, because Hillary hasn't gotten any help from being Hillary Clinton.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

BTW, I think it's hilarious that Ferraro is claiming that Obama wouldn't be a candidate if he were white. Yeah, because Hillary hasn't gotten any help from being Hillary Clinton.

At least Clinton apologized, which is something out of the ordinary for her. I bet it takes every fiber in her body to apologize and keep a straight face.

Keith Olbermann ripped her a new ass last night and told her she should "Reject and denounce". Which I thought was hilarious. His tirade was great, I enjoyed it.

But God, I can't wait till this stupid democratic primary is over.

[FRPLG]

We label because it is our nature. Our brains struggle to understand things and one way they have adapted to be more efficient is to categorize. It is the way we learn so it is simply natural for us to see something or someone and discern the physical characteristics of them and then place them in a "box". Even those who don't "see" a black female when they meet you Rave still do categorize you as black. They'd have to be blind and ignorant not to. What the the more enlightened are able to do is not perceive much about you based on this. There are very few people who can honestly say they don't categorize people. It is basically impossible for us not to.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Jsarno,

I certainly agree that we should look beyond race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. But, the simple fact is that very few, if any, of us are actually color blind.

But, I don't quite follow your logic about whether someone is a person of color or not. You laughed at the idea that there are "shades of color." Yet, you also said Obama is not really black. Do you then think that Obama is white?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Jsarno,

I certainly agree that we should look beyond race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. But, the simple fact is that very few, if any, of us are actually color blind.

But, I don't quite follow your logic about whether someone is a person of color or not. You laughed at the idea that there are "shades of color." Yet, you also said Obama is not really black. Do you then think that Obama is white?

Nope...he's neither. He's just a man named Obama.