Updated Title: Will Portis Shine Again in a West Coast Offense?

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by GMScud

The way I feel about this dude's threads is the same way I feel about caps lock users and collar poppers.

Haha, I thought he put together a somewhat relevant thread this time. I mean, after getting your thread-starting privileges revoked, you gotta at least try to go out on a positive note?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Haha, I thought he put together a somewhat relevant thread this time. I mean, after getting your thread-starting privileges revoked, you gotta at least try to go out on a positive note?

Well every thread he's started except this one has been locked, so I had to post it somewhere.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by VABCHSKINSFAN

I think he is already the best RB we've ever had. Dosent he hold many of the Redskins rushing records?

Slow down there.....that's a pretty bold statement.

We've had some pretty good RBs here. Larry Brown, Riggins, Stephen Davis, Earnest Byner, Cliff Battles (way back in the day).

Portis hold the single season rushing record for a great 2005. However of the top 6 single season numbers, Stephen Davis holds three of those.

Riggins hold the single season TD record with 24, of the top 6 TD seasons, Riggo has 3.

The Redskins' career rushing leader is Riggo at 7472 yds., Larry Brown is second with 5875. Career TDs is Riggo w/79, second is Stephen Davis with 45.

Portis is also the career leader in Yds/Game. However, he's only played 55 games for us.

While in age he's in his prime at 27, his number of carries is that of an "older" back. He currently has over 1700 carries, averaging 285 / yr. That's a LOT. Plus as others have mentioned, in Gibbs' offense he has taken a pounding. I believe Portis will do well in the WCO, but I don't think he'll be productive past three years here. If he remains productive and we make it to the Superbowl he will be mentioned in the same sentence as Riggo. With Portis as the featured back, if we don't make it further than the conference championship, he will be remembered as on par with Davis & Brown.

[mooby]

Well he did start a Madden thread in the Madden forum, at least he knows where to post them, and besides that thread isn't half bad either.

I wouldn't really count this thread as well, I think this is a decent topic given we have a new WCO and that was what Portis was in while he was in Denver.

[irish]

CP's best days are behind him. He is an older injury prone back who can still be productive but nowhere near what he used to be.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by irish

CP's best days are behind him. He is an older injury prone back who can still be productive but nowhere near what he used to be.

Injury prone? He missed significant time once in his career!

[MTK]

First off CP is only 26, he'll be 27 this fall but that's still not what I would call an old player. Second, he's only had 1 season where he missed significant time, so I don't see how that makes him injury prone.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

First off CP is only 26, he'll be 27 this fall but that's still not what I would call an old player. Second, he's only had 1 season where he missed significant time, so I don't see how that makes him injury prone.

27 isnt young for a RB. He only missed significant time once but now he always has something bothering him and he doesnt seem to play more than 2 plays in a row without needing a blow. I see Barber and Addai playing play after play but when I watch CP he makes 1 or 2 runs and heads to the sideline. CP will still be productive but his days as a beast are past.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

27 isnt young for a RB. He only missed significant time once but now he always has something bothering him and he doesnt seem to play more than 2 plays in a row without needing a blow. I see Barber and Addai playing play after play but when I watch CP he makes 1 or 2 runs and heads to the sideline. CP will still be productive but his days as a beast are past.

Is this some sort of joke? Barber, assuming you're talking about Marion, has started only three games in the past four years (or something like that)

Addai had 261 carries last year for a 4.1 ypc average. Portis had 325 carries last year with hardly any drop-off in ypc (3.9) versus Addai. Portis also had more receptions and receiving yards than Addai-47 catches, 389 yards vs 41 catches, 364 yards. Each had 8 games of 20+ carries, though two of Portis' were actually 30+ carries.

I think Addai is a very good running back, but you're making a mistake if you use him in an argument against Portis.

[irish]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Is this some sort of joke? Barber, assuming you're talking about Marion, has started only three games in the past four years (or something like that)

Addai had 261 carries last year for a 4.1 ypc average. Portis had 325 carries last year with hardly any drop-off in ypc (3.9) versus Addai. Portis also had more receptions and receiving yards than Addai-47 catches, 389 yards vs 41 catches, 364 yards. Each had 8 games of 20+ carries, though two of Portis' were actually 30+ carries.

I think Addai is a very good running back, but you're making a mistake if you use him in an argument against Portis.

Who's argueing against Portis? I said he will still be productive but his best days are behind him.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

Who's argueing against Portis? I said he will still be productive but his best days are behind him.

Did you not just say Portis seems to have something bothering him all the time and has to take every couple of plays off, yet Addai is there on the field playing play after play?

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by irish

Who's argueing against Portis? I said he will still be productive but his best days are behind him.

I don't know about that. I think if he comes in healthy this year he's poised for another big year. Given the circumstances, I think he had a big year in 07. Comparing stats is good to an extent, but you can't compare his performance here to denver too much because he's only had a fully healthy o line for most of one of his years here - 05. Even then, Thomas got hurt in the dallas game & missed the end +playoffs.

[freddyg12]

Blocking schemes were discussed here in 06 & I remember reading a wash post article about how when Saunders convinced Bugel to teach his guys zone/cut blocking, our run game took off w/Betts (since CP was injured).

so we have already used the same blocking technique as Denver to some degree. In addition, Portis likes to run inside. It is a misconception that because he's small he likes to run tosses outside. Look at his big runs in Denver, a lot of them were simply huge holes up the middle.

Their line was great then, but look at their run game since. It's not bad, but they haven't had a dominant running game for a few years. If CP was still there he'd be going through some tough years & people would be saying; can he get back to his form of the first 2 years?

I believe the substantial difference w/Zorn & the new O. will be the willingness to take more chances & give the O. a new personality in doing so. If JC is on his game the way he should be, Portis will have a great year. We also need the O line to stay healthy too. You can't expect any great back to do too much running behind Fabini & Heyer. Those guys did well all things considered, but they couldn't start on most nfl teams.

[tryfuhl]

Without zone blocking, probably not. But zone blocking leads to more of a chance of injury as you tend to take bigger hits from stronger and faster guys rather than have a couple pull you down. Now he can be more explosive this year no doubt.

[MTK]

LOL Addai got hurt on his first carry of the season last year. Give me a break.