Impressive rookies

bertoskins2 · 08-04-2008, 11:10 AM

horton brennan & brook s

Daseal · 08-04-2008, 11:15 AM

The fact is, our backups are far better than the Colts backups. That is something important to me. Also, we're seeing rookies play, we're not expecting these guys to make our team. But preseason football counts. We played very clean and solid football, especially offensively and we got to see tons of players. The score and stats don't matter in preseason, but if we see flags flying constantly, or just pure confusion all over the field, we're in trouble. We didn't see much of that at all which is a great site.

I was impressed, like everyone else, with Horton, Colt, Rob Jackson, etc. As usual, Marcus Mason had another great game in the preseason. I wouldn't be surprised if a team thin at RB stole him off our PS this year. Tryon made some mistakes, but I still hope he makes the team. And he had a few good plays, though he had far more bad ones. Maybe it's me, but I was not impressed with Gatewood at all, he seemed kinda... scared to me.

firstdown · 08-04-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

I'm surprised more ppl aren't talking about Mason, even though he is not a rookie. I think he played pretty hard, and though our RB position is pretty solid, i think he is worth taking a look at. He was pounding it up the gut like we have needed in the past and I think the Gibbs/Bugel rushing offense is tailored for his skills set.

One thing irks me about Rock Cartwright...he is a great, scrappy player with many rare intangibles qualities but he does NOT have a nose for the line to gain (1st down/goal line/etc). He likes to bounce it out too much and spends way too much time on his cutbacks. It's really starting to piss me off to have to watch him dance around the line of scrimmage instead of getting positive yardage. I almost wanna say that we should keep him for strictly special team activities.

Cartwright when asked plays well coming in as a 3rd string Rb. Last night he averaged around 4.7 yards per play and is around 4.5 career average. He is not a bounder of the ball so he has to find the open lanes. So if averaging 4.5 is not positive yards then I guess your right.

GATEKEEPER · 08-04-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

I'm mostly just impressed with the way the team played as a whole. Very few mistakes, very few stupid penalties, the offense was able to move the ball, and the defense clamped down in the redzone.

I agree 100%. Sometimes it was almost embarassing to watch some of the Skins mistakes in recent years. This is a legendary team with a proud past, and it will be nice to see them play like it, week after week. Not a bunch of overpriced "has-beens" tripping over each other to see who can screw up worse. Let's hope Zorn is a step in the right direction.

hail_2_da_skins · 08-04-2008, 11:23 AM

Very impressive pre-season game. First of all, there were no major injuries. Secondly, both units performed admirably without a lot penalties, which indicates that the team was well prepared. With a new head coach and offensive philosophy, I was very impressed with the offense's ability to move the ball, both on the ground and in the air. All of the quarterbacks were productive, especially Jason Campbell and Colt Bennan. Since it's pre-season, I can't get too excited, but I am very encouraged by the performance. Zorn passed his first test and it makes me want to see more.

crlesh · 08-04-2008, 11:36 AM

I was impressed by our rookie Head Coach. He remained composed throughout the game, and as someone else mentioned, there did not appear to be the confusion on the field that we've gotten used to over the last decade or so - hope that sticks. Zorn seems to have a clear plan, and the players are executing, whether they're 1st string or 3rd string. What else can you expect from a head coach? I'm excited to see more!

over the mountain · 08-04-2008, 12:41 PM

good read from everyone. thank you

to add to the list:

mike hart (colts) - dont know why he was drafted so late for a guy who excelled in a big program. i understand colt brennan going in the 6th because of his side arm throw and playing in hawaii but can someone tell me why hart wasnt picked up till the 6th? is it because of his size and people not believing he could take an NFL pounding?

go skins!

rugged d · 08-04-2008, 12:49 PM

i was impressed with fred davis he and cooley are gonna really tear it up undereath he is a bigger target ( SIZEWISE) than cooley and looks more athletic

GhettoDogAllStars · 08-04-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

The fact is, our backups are far better than the Colts backups. That is something important to me. Also, we're seeing rookies play, we're not expecting these guys to make our team. But preseason football counts. We played very clean and solid football, especially offensively and we got to see tons of players. The score and stats don't matter in preseason, but if we see flags flying constantly, or just pure confusion all over the field, we're in trouble. We didn't see much of that at all which is a great site.

I was impressed, like everyone else, with Horton, Colt, Rob Jackson, etc. As usual, Marcus Mason had another great game in the preseason. I wouldn't be surprised if a team thin at RB stole him off our PS this year. Tryon made some mistakes, but I still hope he makes the team. And he had a few good plays, though he had far more bad ones. Maybe it's me, but I was not impressed with Gatewood at all, he seemed kinda... scared to me.

One possibility is to have Rock backup Sellers at FB, and keep Mason on our active roster as the #3 RB. I'm not sure if Rock could handle FB duties, but I seem to remember him at that position four or five years ago.

freddyg12 · 08-04-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

One possibility is to have Rock backup Sellers at FB, and keep Mason on our active roster as the #3 RB. I'm not sure if Rock could handle FB duties, but I seem to remember him at that position four or five years ago.

he played fb for the ole ball coach, then lost weight to play tb for Gibbs. I've thought about that too. He lacks size to be a crushing fb like sellers. He doesn't have a future as a #1 or #2 tailback in the nfl, he lacks speed, but he's a football player & would work hard to be a good fb. I think his size hurts his chances though.

freddyg12 · 08-04-2008, 01:51 PM

Horton had a game, but did anyone see him in coverage much? only play I remember was when the colts' brody dropped an easy td behind him.

Horton looks like he could be the second coming of sam shade, great hitter and physical ss but not good at all in coverage. Hope I'm wrong. Anyway, for a 7th round pick he showed something & can play special teams.

EXoffender · 08-04-2008, 03:58 PM

Good play:
Jason Campbell Looked razor sharp technically.
Brennan 2TDs. He's lethal working outside the pocket.
Rob Jackson Looks to be a lot more well rounded than scouts predicted or is recieving his coaching well.
Richardson Showed great awarness with INT and score to show for it.
Torrence Big 3rd down solo-stop against bigger IND TE.
Rinehart Solid blocking and finished off a DB (pancake) on a run play.
Davis Great catch and run ability. Practically begged Brennan to throw to him in the redzone.
Horton What hasn't been said already?
Yoder I thought we were fine at TE with Yoder on the roster and should've drafted for another position when we selected Davis.
Mann Mix and Kelly beware.
Brooks Whoa! Hang time and distance...
Geisinger Gaping holes up the middle and no botched snaps make me feel good about depth here. I got to look this guy up...

Marginal play:
Suisham No more missed FGs Shazaam!
Gatewood The LBs looked like bumbling fools late in the game. The DL had some to do with it.
Tryon I agree with 'skinsnut' and 'that guy'. For a 4th rounder and big talker it took a few blown coverages for him to settle down.
Huntley Great size but, he has no clue what to do with it.
Boschetti Had no business playing DE but, being thin at the position and maybe a gauge to look at LB play; we lost containment on the outside way too much.
Westbrook Likely to be cut today

Free pass:
Jansen Rusty sack?
Doughty Tackled well early but seemed to lose confidence after Clark faked him out near the sideline on the IND FG.
Schweigert Working in what seemed to be a cover-2 zone, he looked slow to react to a flooded assignment and gave up the TD.
Heyer I'm not sold that he's a solid backup.

EXoffender · 08-04-2008, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by crlesh

I was impressed by our rookie Head Coach. He remained composed throughout the game, and as someone else mentioned, there did not appear to be the confusion on the field that we've gotten used to over the last decade or so - hope that sticks. Zorn seems to have a clear plan, and the players are executing, whether they're 1st string or 3rd string. What else can you expect from a head coach? I'm excited to see more!

Agreed. We could've taken a quicker TO working in 2-minute offense before the half (Collins) but, there was no panic.

riggins44 · 08-04-2008, 05:59 PM

I thought Brooks had good distance and hang time. Would be interesting on the return for a touchdown that was called back, if he out kicked coverage or if the coverage broke down.

My concern for Brooks is holding for FG's and EP's. Heard somewhere today that missed FG was result of a poor hold. If this is the case, he could lose to
Frost on holding.

mlmpetert · 08-04-2008, 06:08 PM

I want to see Brooks make a tackle too. One thing ive always thought Frost was real good at, for a kicker, is being the last line of defense on returns. He's a pretty decent tackler and has even had a few memorable hits over the years. It seems like Forst even gets a little excited sometimes and beats a fair amount of other players to the tackle.

Maybe Brooks hang time is better than Frost’s, to the point where less punts will be returned, but Ive always had a level of comfort with Frost ready to make a save.

08-04-2008, 11:10 AM	#31
bertoskins2 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Canada Age: 51 Posts: 260	Re: Impressive rookies horton brennan & brook s

08-04-2008, 11:15 AM	#32
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Impressive rookies The fact is, our backups are far better than the Colts backups. That is something important to me. Also, we're seeing rookies play, we're not expecting these guys to make our team. But preseason football counts. We played very clean and solid football, especially offensively and we got to see tons of players. The score and stats don't matter in preseason, but if we see flags flying constantly, or just pure confusion all over the field, we're in trouble. We didn't see much of that at all which is a great site. I was impressed, like everyone else, with Horton, Colt, Rob Jackson, etc. As usual, Marcus Mason had another great game in the preseason. I wouldn't be surprised if a team thin at RB stole him off our PS this year. Tryon made some mistakes, but I still hope he makes the team. And he had a few good plays, though he had far more bad ones. Maybe it's me, but I was not impressed with Gatewood at all, he seemed kinda... scared to me. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

08-04-2008, 11:23 AM	#35
hail_2_da_skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO Age: 68 Posts: 868	Re: Impressive rookies Very impressive pre-season game. First of all, there were no major injuries. Secondly, both units performed admirably without a lot penalties, which indicates that the team was well prepared. With a new head coach and offensive philosophy, I was very impressed with the offense's ability to move the ball, both on the ground and in the air. All of the quarterbacks were productive, especially Jason Campbell and Colt Bennan. Since it's pre-season, I can't get too excited, but I am very encouraged by the performance. Zorn passed his first test and it makes me want to see more. __________________ "HAIL TO THE SKINS"

08-04-2008, 11:36 AM	#36
crlesh Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boston, MA Age: 49 Posts: 142	Re: Impressive rookies I was impressed by our rookie Head Coach. He remained composed throughout the game, and as someone else mentioned, there did not appear to be the confusion on the field that we've gotten used to over the last decade or so - hope that sticks. Zorn seems to have a clear plan, and the players are executing, whether they're 1st string or 3rd string. What else can you expect from a head coach? I'm excited to see more!

08-04-2008, 12:41 PM	#37
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: Impressive rookies good read from everyone. thank you to add to the list: mike hart (colts) - dont know why he was drafted so late for a guy who excelled in a big program. i understand colt brennan going in the 6th because of his side arm throw and playing in hawaii but can someone tell me why hart wasnt picked up till the 6th? is it because of his size and people not believing he could take an NFL pounding? go skins!

08-04-2008, 12:49 PM	#38
rugged d Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: ANCHORAGE, ALASKA Age: 46 Posts: 17	Re: Impressive rookies i was impressed with fred davis he and cooley are gonna really tear it up undereath he is a bigger target ( SIZEWISE) than cooley and looks more athletic __________________ SOMETIMES YOU EAT THE BEAR... SOMETIMES THE BEAR EATS YOU!!!

08-04-2008, 01:51 PM	#41
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Impressive rookies Horton had a game, but did anyone see him in coverage much? only play I remember was when the colts' brody dropped an easy td behind him. Horton looks like he could be the second coming of sam shade, great hitter and physical ss but not good at all in coverage. Hope I'm wrong. Anyway, for a 7th round pick he showed something & can play special teams.

08-04-2008, 03:58 PM	#42
EXoffender The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Norfolk, Va Posts: 1,046	Re: Impressive rookies Good play: Jason Campbell Looked razor sharp technically. Brennan 2TDs. He's lethal working outside the pocket. Rob Jackson Looks to be a lot more well rounded than scouts predicted or is recieving his coaching well. Richardson Showed great awarness with INT and score to show for it. Torrence Big 3rd down solo-stop against bigger IND TE. Rinehart Solid blocking and finished off a DB (pancake) on a run play. Davis Great catch and run ability. Practically begged Brennan to throw to him in the redzone. Horton What hasn't been said already? Yoder I thought we were fine at TE with Yoder on the roster and should've drafted for another position when we selected Davis. Mann Mix and Kelly beware. Brooks Whoa! Hang time and distance... Geisinger Gaping holes up the middle and no botched snaps make me feel good about depth here. I got to look this guy up... Marginal play: Suisham No more missed FGs Shazaam! Gatewood The LBs looked like bumbling fools late in the game. The DL had some to do with it. Tryon I agree with 'skinsnut' and 'that guy'. For a 4th rounder and big talker it took a few blown coverages for him to settle down. Huntley Great size but, he has no clue what to do with it. Boschetti Had no business playing DE but, being thin at the position and maybe a gauge to look at LB play; we lost containment on the outside way too much. Westbrook Likely to be cut today Free pass: Jansen Rusty sack? Doughty Tackled well early but seemed to lose confidence after Clark faked him out near the sideline on the IND FG. Schweigert Working in what seemed to be a cover-2 zone, he looked slow to react to a flooded assignment and gave up the TD. Heyer I'm not sold that he's a solid backup. Last edited by EXoffender; 08-05-2008 at 07:20 PM.

08-04-2008, 05:59 PM	#44
riggins44 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Yorktown, VA Posts: 148	Re: Impressive rookies I thought Brooks had good distance and hang time. Would be interesting on the return for a touchdown that was called back, if he out kicked coverage or if the coverage broke down. My concern for Brooks is holding for FG's and EP's. Heard somewhere today that missed FG was result of a poor hold. If this is the case, he could lose to Frost on holding.

08-04-2008, 06:08 PM	#45
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,261	Re: Impressive rookies I want to see Brooks make a tackle too. One thing ive always thought Frost was real good at, for a kicker, is being the last line of defense on returns. He's a pretty decent tackler and has even had a few memorable hits over the years. It seems like Forst even gets a little excited sometimes and beats a fair amount of other players to the tackle. Maybe Brooks hang time is better than Frost’s, to the point where less punts will be returned, but Ive always had a level of comfort with Frost ready to make a save.

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