Sean Taylor Tribute Painting

[swainy67]

Hey thats pretty good, the Corcoran, still doesn't mean you know how to paint, just let me know when you see it in person. I once heard someone say, "Never let school get in the way of a good education"

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by swainy67

Hey thats pretty good, the Corcoran, still doesn't mean you know how to paint, just let me know when you see it in person. I once heard someone say, "Never let school get in the way of a good education"

Actually, with her it does.From your math in your explanation I see you believe in your own advice.

[swainy67]

Hey works for me, can't complain. You're entitled to your wrong opinion. Hey some great advice "Life begins when you get one"

[QuarterFlash]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I've seen hers and I've seen his,I'll take her word ...yup.

Oh so you and your daughter made the trip down to take a look at the original?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by swainy67

Hey works for me, can't complain. You're entitled to your wrong opinion. Hey some great advice "Life begins when you get one"

rightttttttt.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by QuarterFlash

Oh so you and your daughter made the trip down to take a look at the original?

What did my post say?


Painting of Sean Taylor Sparks Controversy|ABC 7 News

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by swainy67

Hey works for me, can't complain. You're entitled to your wrong opinion. Hey some great advice "Life begins when you get one"

Why should you make $20,000 on Sean's death,where did you come up with that number, and how many prints were you going to sell and how much will you make on each print,do you have permission from the Skins ,do you have permission from Sean's family?Did anyone commision this before you did it,did you offer this to Sean's family?

P.S


..........add in $5,000 per print that you wanted Santana Moss to pay and you're looking at making $35,000 + dollars on a man's death ,that you have no rights to.

[QuarterFlash]

Originally Posted by Giantone

This has nothing to do with Sean,her Degree comes from the Corcoran as an artist looking at it artistically.....the value that has been placed on it and the hours don't add up.

"It isn't"
about where daughter went to school, which by the way doesn't make her an expert, just an artist with a degree.

My point is, that it was very unprofessional of your daughter to make that statement, when she hasn't seen the portrait in person. Is that what they taught her to do as an "expert" at school? Your daughters"internet appraisal" and your posting are both lame.

Let's just be glad that she is an artist, and not a Doctor. I saw a picture of the patient on the internet...I'm ready to make my "expert" diagnosis ... get my drift? You really were out of line posting that hogwash, unless you had both seen it in person. By the way, I know what it looks like, so I have a right to say that it is an awesome "work of art" and that you and your daughter "don't" know what you are talking about.

Go take a look, although at this point, I suspect you would both hang onto the same opinion, to save face...because she is "Wrong"

[QuarterFlash]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Why should you make $20,000 on Sean's death,where did you come up with that number, and how many prints were you going to sell and how much will you make on each print,do you have permission from the Skins ,do you have permission from Sean's family?Did anyone commision this before you did it,did you offer this to Sean's family?

P.S


..........add in $5,000 per print that you wanted Santana Moss to pay and you're looking at making $35,000 + dollars on a man's death ,that you have no rights to.

Hey read the article, computer chair judge, before you post crap that isn't true..... Damn you are a real boner!

[QuarterFlash]

Originally Posted by Giantone

rightttttttt.

Hey everyone is not entitled to an opinion Giantone. Everyone is entitled to an informed one...when you are able to do that (if you are able) would love to hear it. In the meantime:

Why do you “put your two cents in” when it is only “a penny for your thoughts”? What happens to the other penny?

[QuarterFlash]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Why should you make $20,000 on Sean's death,where did you come up with that number, and how many prints were you going to sell and how much will you make on each print,do you have permission from the Skins ,do you have permission from Sean's family?Did anyone commision this before you did it,did you offer this to Sean's family?

P.S


..........add in $5,000 per print that you wanted Santana Moss to pay and you're looking at making $35,000 + dollars on a man's death ,that you have no rights to.

By Rachel Beckman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 18, 2008; Page C05

Like many Washington Redskins fans, artist Jason Swain mourned the death of 24-year-old Sean Taylor when the player was shot in November. But instead of buying a "21" jersey or expressing his sorrow on sports blogs, Swain created a six-foot portrait of the fallen athlete.

The painting is a montage of Taylor's football career, from his days at the University of Miami through his 3 1/2 seasons as a Redskins safety. Football fans can view the painting at Champps Americana restaurant in Arlington's Pentagon Row, where it has hung since the Sept. 4 start of the Redskins season.

But the tribute painting has seen kudos and conflict on its way to the tavern wall.

After about 200 hours of work, Swain finished the painting and contributed it to an art exhibition that he had already committed to at Children's National Medical Center. While it hung there in March, a group of players visited the hospital as part of the "Redskins Read" literacy program. It caught the attention of Betti-Jo "BJ" Corriveau, the team's vice president for community and charitable programs, and wide receiver Santana Moss. Corriveau expressed casual interest in buying the original; Moss wanted to order three prints.

This is when the trouble began.

In an e-mail exchange, Swain quoted Corriveau a price of $20,000. She responded by asking him if he would donate the portrait so that it could be displayed at FedEx Field. He said no.
"I thought it was fairly insulting," Swain says. "I wouldn't call the Redskins and say I want season tickets and free hot dogs for the rest of the year. I expect to pay something."

Swain had signed a contract to give 25 percent of the proceeds to the children's hospital. A donation would have meant a loss of $5,000 to the hospital.

The next e-mail that Swain received from Corriveau read:

"I understand that you need to sell your painting and the prints but please know that you need to remove our logo and the NFL logo from all images."

The sale fell through, and Swain hasn't removed any of the logos from the painting. It made its way to the Champps wall after Swain cold-called the restaurant about hanging the artwork for its Redskins kickoff party. "Better other people see it than sitting in the house collecting dust," he says.

Swain, 41, is an Australian immigrant who lives in Kensington and runs a landscaping business. This isn't his first celebrity tribute painting. In 2006, his portrait of "Crocodile Hunter" Steve Irwin hung at the Mansion at Strathmore. He has also painted Bill Clinton, Halle Berry and Diane Sawyer.
Swain is afraid the Redskins will take legal action against him, so he has consulted with an intellectual-property lawyer and taken the painting off the market. At Champps, a small placard lists Swain's phone number but no price.

This squabble has legal precedent, says Georgetown University law professor Rebecca Tushnet. Tiger Woods sued sports artist Rick Rush in 2000 over a painting of Woods winning the Masters. The golfer lost.

"Courts have been confronting these issues, and they are increasingly coming down on the side of the arts," Tushnet says. Although Woods was protecting his image and not a logo, both cases fall under the umbrella of intellectual-property law. "Basically, almost anything can be a trademark," Tushnet says. Think Michael Jordan flying toward the hoop.

The Moss transaction has hit a dead-end. Moss's manager Lily Stefano balked when Swain quoted her $5,000 to produce and ship the three custom four-foot-tall giclee prints (high-resolution reproductions of the original, produced from digital scans) to Moss in Miami. Stefano says she thought Swain's price was "sky-high," and she advised Moss to back off. Swain hasn't had contact with Corriveau or Stefano since April.

Reached by telephone last week, Corriveau didn't recall where she had left her dealings with Swain. "We had some conversations but never anything solid," she said. "It's a beautiful portrait." She didn't think Swain would be offended by her directive to remove the logos from the painting.

As product placements invade our world, so will they sneak onto canvases, Tushnet says: "The idea in general is that we want artists to be able to portray the world as they see it, and we live in a heavily branded world."

[saden1]

Giantone, you're making an ass out of yourself. Stop digging.

1. The value of art is highly subjective.
2. You're not the only one with an artist in the family or knowledge of art.
3. Your daughter is full of shit but I wouldn't expect you to take anyone side but hers.


Looking strictly at the video the level of detail is amazing. Do you know how fucking painstaking it is to paint a mesh jersey that detailed?

[SmootSmack]

This thread is becoming ridiculous. The personal insults of fellow board members are bad enough, but there's really no need to start insulting Giantone's daughter. Yes, he essentially started it by bringing her into the discussion but as long as she's not here to defend her opinion it's not fair to bash her.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This thread is becoming ridiculous. The personal insults of fellow board members are bad enough, but there's really no need to start insulting Giantone's daughter. Yes, he essentially started it by bringing her into the discussion but as long as she's not here to defend her opinion it's not fair to bash her.

I don't get it, what's insulting? Or are we expected to show her deference? Giantone is shitting on other peoples work and using his daughter to support his claims and we're suppose to do what? I call b.s. when see b.s. and that's the way it should be and always will be.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by saden1

I don't get it, what's insulting? Or are we expected to show her deference? Giantone is shitting on other peoples work and using his daughter to support his claims and we're suppose to do what? I call b.s. when see b.s. and that's the way it should be and always will be.

You called her full of shit, Buster took a backhanded slap at her. Quarterflash and Swainy are knocking her too. As I said, Giantone brought her into it when he said she's an artist and he took her to see the painting-I don't believe, as some are implying, he simply showed her the image on the Web-and she wasn't impressed from the point of view of an artist (to me that's irrelevant to the story actually, this is about the Redskins not budging on protecting their trademark and business but I digress).

So now it seems the thing to do is pile on her because she, through her father, gave her educated opinion on the quality of the piece. A.) As I've said, I don't think the quality of the piece matters that much quite honestly, and B.) I see this escalating to further unnecessary insults of family members of site members here and I'm saying now do not let that happen.

If Giantone wanted to bring his daughter into the conversation he has to be prepared for some pushback. But the response could have stopped at "art is subjective" You could even, if applicable, discuss your own artistic background, or that of someone close to you. Your daughter is full of shit wasn't really needed.