Editorial: Why the Redskins aren't an Elite Team

[70Chip]

It is true that Cerrato and his people are horrible talent evaluators, especially when it come to linemen.

However, this last game was lost because Zorn seems to think he can recycle the same game plan week after week. This is the NFL. You have to come up with different stuff every week. I don't think the offensive coaching staff is working hard enough. We need more formations and more plays. We also need to start stealing other teams successful ideas. Randle-El, single wing, what are you waiting for Coach? Everyone complained about how Gibbs ran a 1991 offense. Well, we're runnng Bill Walsh's offense from 1981. Let's mix it up. Have a little fun. If we don't change this stifled approach, we won't win any more games. If you come out throwing that quick slant against the Ravens, Moss will be dead and the Ravens will be running the other way with the ball. The jig is up with the short passes. Get over it and start doing something else.

[DarkKnight]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

It is true that Cerrato and his people are horrible talent evaluators, especially when it come to linemen.

However, this last game was lost because Zorn seems to think he can recycle the same game plan week after week. This is the NFL. You have to come up with different stuff every week. I don't think the offensive coaching staff is working hard enough. We need more formations and more plays. We also need to start stealing other teams successful ideas. Randle-El, single wing, what are you waiting for Coach? Everyone complained about how Gibbs ran a 1991 offense. Well, we're runnng Bill Walsh's offense from 1981. Let's mix it up. Have a little fun. If we don't change this stifled approach, we won't win any more games. If you come out throwing that quick slant against the Ravens, Moss will be dead and the Ravens will be running the other way with the ball. The jig is up with the short passes. Get over it and start doing something else.

What he said! that slant is the worse in football, it hurts everytime it comes out

[Mr.Redskin]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

It is true that Cerrato and his people are horrible talent evaluators, especially when it come to linemen..

70 Chip, talk about late to the party......Is your next question going to be where is Patty Ramsey and why dont we start him??

Just kidding, I'm sure he recognizes talent other teams have. He just is a middleman merchandiser that pays top dollar for product trusting that the deep pockets and huge hearts of the fans to save his job with investing more and more capital in the redskin culture-clothes,media,and games.

In a revelation I just had, there was an elite team last year- the Patriots. They got showed up and had everything erased in the matter of a few minutes late in the super bowl.

I think most of our pain, let downs, and gullibilty comes from entertaining the idea of being an elite team. Its fantasy, not happening. To be elite you need to be non selfish from the top to bottom. Owner-coaches-players- and everyone else involved.

But who can blame our problems we obviously love it regardless. Our owner screws over the players annually changing coaches/systems giving good money to guys just to make them a pariah and bench them anyhow. Or we overlook the pride of the blue collar guys which ultimately are the heart and sould of any team and we sign some washed up veteran that is well known b/c the instant gratification of Hype is synonmous with what other teams covet in winning games. All in all we reward the owner and make him the most profitable team in sports. So actually and pervertedly so we prefer to be sadist.


A tree is known by its fruit. and sadly we are wax and fake as hell.

I hope Zorn has a plan for the offseason b/c November began that period
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[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Mr.Redskin

70 Chip, talk about late to the party......Is your next question going to be where is Patty Ramsey and why dont we start him??

Do we have a problem? I'm not understanding your point.

[lemelgibson]

I feel that we are on the right track thanks to Joe Gibbs. Every year we seem to jump the gun on wether we will be good or not. We have a new coach that has never been a head coach running the show and for his first year, he's doing well. We have enough talent on the defense and the offense to get it done. We just need to get everybody on the same page. Our defense has given up an average of 19 points; if our offense scores 21 points a game that they are capable of doing, we're looking at a 10 -2 record. Giants 16 Redskins 7, Saint Louis 19 Redskins 17, Dallas 14 Redskins 10

[Mr.Redskin]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Do we have a problem? I'm not understanding your point.

Well, how do you define problem and in your opinion answer if it is true that Cerrato and his people are horrible talent evaluators, especially when it come to linemen ? Or were you being rhetorical??

Either way, don't give yourself a headache. Ultimately, I am only black text that can appear in different colorsand alternating in size and shape But if you want a problem I will beat you like this cow no thats.. a horse but afterwards I will make it up to you and the horse and show you some tender lovings

Do you have a problem or am I not understanding your point???

Do you want to force me to commit beastiality b/c thats what I am all about.

And for those interested I do bachelor parties and bar mit va's

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Mr.Redskin

Well, how do you define problem and in your opinion answer if it is true that Cerrato and his people are horrible talent evaluators, especially when it come to linemen ? Or were you being rhetorical??

Either way, don't give yourself a headache. Ultimately, I am only black text that can appear in different colorsand alternating in size and shape But if you want a problem I will beat you like this cow no thats.. a horse but afterwards I will make it up to you and the horse and show you some tender lovings

Do you have a problem or am I not understanding your point???

Do you want to force me to commit beastiality b/c thats what I am all about.

And for those interested I do bachelor parties and bar mit va's

Wow. That's gotta be one of the weirdest statements I've ever read on this board.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Wow. That's gotta be one of the weirdest statements I've ever read on this board.

Saturday night on the Warpath getting CRAZY!!!

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Saturday night on the Warpath getting CRAZY!!!

lol that's for sure. I gotta start signing on here late at night all the time.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I disagree with the assessment that teams are just more talented than us. I like to argue that the "elite" teams have brought into the coaches systems more. Look at the Giants, Patriots, Colts, and Steelers all have tenured coaches with players that have brought into the coaches schemes. we will get better if we continue this aproach of keeping players and coaches

I think that the coaching carousel this franchise has become has hurt us in the long run. Norv had a nice shot at it and couldn't get the job done. Marty had the thing turned around, but wanted more power and Danny couldn't have that. Spurrier was a sexy pick with a gimmick offense that just couldn't work in the NFL as the defenses are just as fast as the offenses. Bringing Gibbs back might have been a mistake only in that everyone knew it wouldn't be for that long. The new coaches brought in their systems, assistants, and their qbs that they preferred. Sad thing is though I though he might just stick with Zorn just to reverse this trend, even if the WCO is a failure. I am not totally sold on the WCO working in the NFC East. It is an outdated offense in my opinion. It seemed everyone ran a version of it in the 80's and 90's, and that is one of the reasons many think other teams have figured us out. If Zorn is going to be succesful he has to fix his offensive scheme.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mr.Redskin

Well, how do you define problem and in your opinion answer if it is true that Cerrato and his people are horrible talent evaluators, especially when it come to linemen ? Or were you being rhetorical??

Either way, don't give yourself a headache. Ultimately, I am only black text that can appear in different colorsand alternating in size and shape But if you want a problem I will beat you like this cow no thats.. a horse but afterwards I will make it up to you and the horse and show you some tender lovings

Do you have a problem or am I not understanding your point???

Do you want to force me to commit beastiality b/c thats what I am all about.

And for those interested I do bachelor parties and bar mit va's

my head asploded

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by Mr.Redskin

Well, how do you define problem and in your opinion answer if it is true that Cerrato and his people are horrible talent evaluators, especially when it come to linemen ? Or were you being rhetorical??

Either way, don't give yourself a headache. Ultimately, I am only black text that can appear in different colorsand alternating in size and shape But if you want a problem I will beat you like this cow no thats.. a horse but afterwards I will make it up to you and the horse and show you some tender lovings

Do you have a problem or am I not understanding your point???

Do you want to force me to commit beastiality b/c thats what I am all about.

And for those interested I do bachelor parties and bar mit va's

I don't want to force you to commit bestiality. I was merely seeking clarification of your earlier post which seems fairly straightforward compared to the more recent one.

Cerratto needs to go. That's the position I have held for many years now. If I'm wrong, if he's some sort of secret genius, then I will beg for forgiveness at the gates, but I don't think I'm wrong.

[A10sROCK]

Vinny is now in the open and his first seasons draft picks are now ready for inspection. 7th rounder Chris Horton is a keeper and a solid contibutor to this team in his rookie season.

Our first three draft picks in 2008 so far have been extremely underwhelming. Hopefully they'll do better next year. However, if you are going to put ALL your best picks into one basket - WR/TE, then at least one of them has to be a quick winner. That has not happened.

Using some of your best draft picks in the OL and DL is a prudent investment in the future. So far over the last decade all we done is go for the flashy positions and neglected the foundation. 'Building the house from the top down'.

In year two as pseudo-GM lets see how Vinny does in his drafting. I suggest he will move toward the lines this year as a correction from last.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by A10sROCK

Vinny is now in the open and his first seasons draft picks are now ready for inspection. 7th rounder Chris Horton is a keeper and a solid contibutor to this team in his rookie season.

Our first three draft picks in 2008 so far have been extremely underwhelming. Hopefully they'll do better next year. However, if you are going to put ALL your best picks into one basket - WR/TE, then at least one of them has to be a quick winner. That has not happened.

Using some of your best draft picks in the OL and DL is a prudent investment in the future. So far over the last decade all we done is go for the flashy positions and neglected the foundation. 'Building the house from the top down'.

In year two as pseudo-GM lets see how Vinny does in his drafting. I suggest he will move toward the lines this year as a correction from last.

I will say this: if the plan was to address the lines AND the receivers, then Vinny was smart to address receivers first. It is a more difficult position to master.

But I'm guessing by the way he dealt a pick for Jason Taylor, and didn't really do his homework as well as I believe he could have on the receiver class. (Davis is a fine pick where we got him, but Vinny had him graded as a first rounder, which apparently, no one else in the NFL did) So I'm less than optimistic that his solution to the line problem will actually solve the problem.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I will say this: if the plan was to address the lines AND the receivers, then Vinny was smart to address receivers first. It is a more difficult position to master.

But I'm guessing by the way he dealt a pick for Jason Taylor, and didn't really do his homework as well as I believe he could have on the receiver class. (Davis is a fine pick where we got him, but Vinny had him graded as a first rounder, which apparently, no one else in the NFL did) So I'm less than optimistic that his solution to the line problem will actually solve the problem.

Cerratto can suck my balls. He's a loser and we all know it. And receiver is a really hard position to master when you don't give a shit.