ATTNER: 'Skins still throwing money away

Paintrain · 03-07-2004, 08:38 PM

People continue to forget that this is not 2000 all over again. Take a look at the Redskins roster, there are only 6-7 players over the age of 30 as of opening day, some like Mitchell and Noble and Tupa aren't key players.. Let's allow this to play out before we start jumping to conclusions about 'here we go again'.. With the exception of CB, I think each move has represented an upgrade from the player that finished the season at that position..

Brunell is better right now than Ramsey simply based on experience
Portis is a no brainer over Candidate/Betts/Rock
Rasby is a much better blocker than Chamberlain
Dainels is an upgrade over Bruce Smith
Griffin is an upgrade over anyone who played DT last year
Washington is faster, more athletic and younger than Armstead
Springs from Bailey is a downgrade, but better safety play can offset that
Tupa is an upgrade from Barker
oh yeah, that Gibbs guy is a little better than the Ole Ball-less Coach

Jamaican'Skin · 03-07-2004, 08:43 PM

I definately do not think that the 'Skins got shafted in the trade. I think Portis put it best when he said that Bailey could only control one player, while he controls where the ball is going.
Brunell is probably going to retire before the entire contract has been finished so he won't be seeing all of that money.
Wrong forum to join if you don't want to hear criticism about your team, man. That's just the way it is.

skinsguy · 03-07-2004, 09:27 PM

I think Brunnel will start for maybe two seasons and then Ramsey will take over. By then, Ramsey should be at the fullest of his potential. As paintrain stated, this isn't 2000 over again. The choices were are making in the free agent market are good choices based on the players' ability, strengths, and age as well. Most of the ones we've gotten so far are fairly young players, except for Brunnell, but he is still considered in his prime at the age of 33?

CowboysUK · 03-08-2004, 05:00 PM

Geesh. Morons.

johnnyredskin63 · 03-08-2004, 05:24 PM

can somebody plese let me know just who the hell this attner or aptner guy is?i have never heard of him/her/it before.

skinsguy · 03-08-2004, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CowboysUK

Geesh. Morons.

*poke* Hhhmmmm, Cowboys fan posting on a Redskins forum board. I'm sure if you try hard enough, you can be more moronic than that, right?

SittingBull · 03-08-2004, 11:18 PM

Must be really bored since there's no action in their offseason, other then Parcells eating habits, to read up on articles on their arch-rivals from obscure amateur websites and post it on here. He probably was so upset that the Meshawn deal fell through that he had to try to stir things up here to make himself feel better. Misery loves company.

Ghost · 03-09-2004, 12:48 AM

Hey Jeeves, blow it out your arse ye bloody wanker.

JWsleep · 03-09-2004, 01:58 AM

So, really, how's that Galloway trade going?

SmootSmack · 03-09-2004, 02:51 AM

Portis or Hambrick?
Coles or Glenn?
Brunell/Ramsey or Carter/Hutchinson?

Yeah, I can see why a Cowboys fan would want to be part of a Redskins discussion board.

by the way, bigredskinfan, email paul attner at attner@sportingnews.com

backrow · 03-09-2004, 08:55 AM

Read his name: cowboysuk!

At least he chose the right handle! He knows deep down inside!

cowroids, remember have to put up with a lot of cowpookie over on their boards! That's what cowroids do! Stomp around in doodoo!

I don't have to go over to cowboysguide.com any more! I know that they average an IQ of 70, and believe they will somehow inherit every great FA during FA season, and pick up at least 5 terrific #1 draft choices every year! They are not moronic, just full of pookie!

We know that the FAs don't all migrate to Valley Ranch! So that shoots down that vein of thought.

We also know they will not have five #1s.

Over here, we know we will, at this juncture, have only one pick at #5. We can all agree we will pick a great player or trade down. Some are pulling for Udeze, some Taylor, some Winslow, some a WR, others want still a different DE! It's OK! The FO knows what they want! The first four picks will dictate which direction we go. We may not all be happy. Me, I would have chosen a DE in each of the last eight years, but was happy each year just to watch the Draft outcome.

The happiest moments were when we traded the spot for R. Williams for the Saints entire draft. Disapointed a few short minutes later when we traded nearly all of it back to move back up to get C. Bailey.
Happy when we traded back to get P. Ramsey.
Unhappy when we lost the #1st rounder last year for L. Coles, but I got over it when I saw what he could do.
Disapointed, albiet slightly when we got T. Jacobs, but, that was an OBC decision. After all, Jacobs was listed in the #1st round of most Mocks. Glad we got Dockery, because I had seen his name in the 1st round of several Mocks as well.

This year, with only one pick, my trust is in HOF Coach Gibbs! That one pick will either be terrific, or will be several other picks later that we can discuss after the Draft!

Ghost · 03-09-2004, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by backrow

Read his name: cowboysuk!

Backrow, it's rare that I agree with you but this is hilarious ... I didn't even notice it ... the Cowboys do, in fact, "suk" so this clown's name is 100%appropriate, no doubt a Freudian slip. Nice work.

RedskinRat · 03-09-2004, 05:49 PM

[QUOTE=CowboysUK]Hey guys,

Those who felt compelled to respond with childish anti-Cowboys rhetoric let your forum down in my opinion.[QUOTE=CowboysUK]

You're a Cowboys fan, your opinion doesn't matter to us.

03-07-2004, 09:27 PM	#33
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	I think Brunnel will start for maybe two seasons and then Ramsey will take over. By then, Ramsey should be at the fullest of his potential. As paintrain stated, this isn't 2000 over again. The choices were are making in the free agent market are good choices based on the players' ability, strengths, and age as well. Most of the ones we've gotten so far are fairly young players, except for Brunnell, but he is still considered in his prime at the age of 33? __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

03-08-2004, 05:00 PM	#34
CowboysUK Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: UK Posts: 4	Geesh. Morons. __________________ Cowboys

03-08-2004, 05:24 PM	#35
johnnyredskin63 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 203	can somebody plese let me know just who the hell this attner or aptner guy is?i have never heard of him/her/it before. __________________ it's me,bigredskinfan63 bigledzepfan63 "the sea was red and the sky was grey,wondered how tommorow could ever follow today HAIL TO THE REDSKINS always remember ladies and germs-THE COWBOYS SUCK

03-09-2004, 01:58 AM	#39
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,717	So, really, how's that Galloway trade going? __________________ Hail from Houston!

03-09-2004, 02:51 AM	#40
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Portis or Hambrick? Coles or Glenn? Brunell/Ramsey or Carter/Hutchinson? Yeah, I can see why a Cowboys fan would want to be part of a Redskins discussion board. by the way, bigredskinfan, email paul attner at attner@sportingnews.com __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-07-2004, 08:38 PM	#31
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	People continue to forget that this is not 2000 all over again. Take a look at the Redskins roster, there are only 6-7 players over the age of 30 as of opening day, some like Mitchell and Noble and Tupa aren't key players.. Let's allow this to play out before we start jumping to conclusions about 'here we go again'.. With the exception of CB, I think each move has represented an upgrade from the player that finished the season at that position.. Brunell is better right now than Ramsey simply based on experience Portis is a no brainer over Candidate/Betts/Rock Rasby is a much better blocker than Chamberlain Dainels is an upgrade over Bruce Smith Griffin is an upgrade over anyone who played DT last year Washington is faster, more athletic and younger than Armstead Springs from Bailey is a downgrade, but better safety play can offset that Tupa is an upgrade from Barker oh yeah, that Gibbs guy is a little better than the Ole Ball-less Coach

03-07-2004, 08:43 PM	#32
Jamaican'Skin The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Age: 38 Posts: 2,418	I definately do not think that the 'Skins got shafted in the trade. I think Portis put it best when he said that Bailey could only control one player, while he controls where the ball is going. Brunell is probably going to retire before the entire contract has been finished so he won't be seeing all of that money. Wrong forum to join if you don't want to hear criticism about your team, man. That's just the way it is.

03-08-2004, 11:18 PM	#37
SittingBull Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Fairfax< VA Posts: 89	Must be really bored since there's no action in their offseason, other then Parcells eating habits, to read up on articles on their arch-rivals from obscure amateur websites and post it on here. He probably was so upset that the Meshawn deal fell through that he had to try to stir things up here to make himself feel better. Misery loves company.

03-09-2004, 12:48 AM	#38
Ghost Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 298	Hey Jeeves, blow it out your arse ye bloody wanker.

03-09-2004, 08:55 AM	#41
backrow The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: 36.28 x 76.22 Age: 73 Posts: 1,812	I like him! Read his name: cowboysuk! At least he chose the right handle! He knows deep down inside! cowroids, remember have to put up with a lot of cowpookie over on their boards! That's what cowroids do! Stomp around in doodoo! I don't have to go over to cowboysguide.com any more! I know that they average an IQ of 70, and believe they will somehow inherit every great FA during FA season, and pick up at least 5 terrific #1 draft choices every year! They are not moronic, just full of pookie! We know that the FAs don't all migrate to Valley Ranch! So that shoots down that vein of thought. We also know they will not have five #1s. Over here, we know we will, at this juncture, have only one pick at #5. We can all agree we will pick a great player or trade down. Some are pulling for Udeze, some Taylor, some Winslow, some a WR, others want still a different DE! It's OK! The FO knows what they want! The first four picks will dictate which direction we go. We may not all be happy. Me, I would have chosen a DE in each of the last eight years, but was happy each year just to watch the Draft outcome. The happiest moments were when we traded the spot for R. Williams for the Saints entire draft. Disapointed a few short minutes later when we traded nearly all of it back to move back up to get C. Bailey. Happy when we traded back to get P. Ramsey. Unhappy when we lost the #1st rounder last year for L. Coles, but I got over it when I saw what he could do. Disapointed, albiet slightly when we got T. Jacobs, but, that was an OBC decision. After all, Jacobs was listed in the #1st round of most Mocks. Glad we got Dockery, because I had seen his name in the 1st round of several Mocks as well. This year, with only one pick, my trust is in HOF Coach Gibbs! That one pick will either be terrific, or will be several other picks later that we can discuss after the Draft! __________________ '37, '42, '83, '88, '92. Championship!

03-09-2004, 05:49 PM	#43
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	[QUOTE=CowboysUK]Hey guys, Those who felt compelled to respond with childish anti-Cowboys rhetoric let your forum down in my opinion.[QUOTE=CowboysUK] You're a Cowboys fan, your opinion doesn't matter to us.

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