For the Zorn / Campbell Excuse makers...

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by 30gut

There is so much wrong with this portion of your post its not even worth it....

Aaron Rodger has a losing record so should he and McCarthy take the 'blame' for GB's season?

Rodgers/Cassel/Cutler are in the same system w/ experienced HC/OC/QB coaches.

Its argueable if we have better 'weapons' then the Ravens, but do we have a better offensive line?

Zorn's sole responsibility has been Campbell and the passing offense? 1) Hasn't Campbell improved? Campbell was being considered for league MVP a few weeks ago.
2) A HC doesn't have a 'sole' responsibility he's worried about the whole team.
Also Zorn is installing a new offense from the very first play. All the other teams you mentioned have veteran OC that brought their proven offenses scheme with them; Zorn is installing a new system with a new OC.

Clearly you're comparing apples and grapes here

Iagree.

Aaron Rodgers team is sitting at at 5-9 and Cutler 8-6(one more win and one less loss then Campbell) Those QBs had an easier schedule and they aren't too much better than Campbell.

Rivers and Brees have outplay Cambpell and most QBs this season and their teams aren't going to the playoffs.

Like I said in another post their are about 4 teams whose QBs played worse then Cambpell this season are on going to the playoffs. Three of those teams only have three lossess or less.

Even with Collins at the helm last season skins still couldn't make it out the first round of the playoffs. The problem with the skins is way deeper than QB.

It takes more than a great/good QB to make the playoffs and win the superbowl.

[irish]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

Iagree.

Aaron Rodgers team is sitting at at 5-9 and Cutler 8-6(one more win and one less loss then Campbell) Those QBs had an easier schedule and they aren't too much better than Campbell.

Rivers and Brees have outplay Cambpell and most QBs this season and their teams aren't going to the playoffs.

Like I said in another post their are about 4 teams whose QBs played worse then Cambpell this season are on going to the playoffs. Three of those teams only have three lossess or less.

Even with Collins at the helm last season skins still couldn't make it out the first round of the playoffs. The problem with the skins is way deeper than QB.

It takes more than a great/good QB to make the playoffs and win the superbowl.

Bottom line, teams with 3 losses or less dont have QBs that played worse than JC.

I do agree that the Skins problems are deeper than QB.

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by irish

Bottom line, teams with 3 losses or less dont have QBs that played worse than JC.

I do agree that the Skins problems are deeper than QB.

Actually they do have QBs that have played worse than JC and have three losses or less.

[Eknox]

This has everything to do with a team that does not believe in investing in the trenches o line and d line..no Coach can win without protection for the QB and pressure from the other side oof the ball....I think we play soft and scared and we need to model ourselves after teams like Pitt and Baltimore that come to knock you out every game..and they have o lines and d lines ....

[EternalEnigma21]

Zorn has failed. No question. Will he continue to? Who knows. Campbell played well yesterday. He's one of about 4 redskins who haven't quit. I have a lot of respect for him and he did a good job.

Zorn has lost the team.

[irish]

Good post. All those coaches have QBs that can get it done. Zorn doesnt which means he has to adjust his plan to fit what JC can, and more importantly, cant do. Campbell doesnt have it and when Zorn gets a capable QB in there (and a better o line) I think things will improve.

[Dblock804]

All you JC lovers can have him. He is so gone. The only team he will ever start for is Washington. The man has no touch on the ball. Zorn's done as well. The Rams and Cincy give me a flippin brake.

[maroonandblack30]

1. It isn't Zorn or Campbell's' fault that Cooley fumbled on the first drive
2. It isn't Zorn or Campbell's fault that Sellers handed the ball the Bungles at the goal line.
3. It isn't Zorn or Campbell's fault that Smoot can't make a tackle on 3rd and 8 to actually give the Redskins a legit shot at winning.

Firing Zorn would be a panic move... starting over every year isn't how you build a winner.

[irish]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

1. It isn't Zorn or Campbell's' fault that Cooley fumbled on the first drive
2. It isn't Zorn or Campbell's fault that Sellers handed the ball the Bungles at the goal line.
3. It isn't Zorn or Campbell's fault that Smoot can't make a tackle on 3rd and 8 to actually give the Redskins a legit shot at winning.

Firing Zorn would be a panic move... starting over every year isn't how you build a winner.

The best post I have seen yet. I couldnt agree more.

[maroonandblack30]

If Snyder fires Zorn we are entering Raider/Al Davis territory.... what legit coach is ever going to want to coach here?

[irish]

Originally Posted by maroonandblack30

If Snyder fires Zorn we are entering Raider/Al Davis territory.... what legit coach is ever going to want to coach here?

None. In fact I'm not sure there are any that want to come here now.

[SirClintonPortis]

Oh, comparions. Here's some more then.
Redskins have a better ranked defense, but the lack of a pass rush(21 sacks) and a recent propensity to giving up big plays does not make it top tier. Falcons protect their rookie very well(14 sacks given up) and are a little better in getting to the QB(28 sacks). Flacco is sacked more times(25), but that's still less than the 32 Jason has. Dolphins are in a similar boat as the Ravens, but they have 6 MORE sacks than the Ravens.

Also, I would say that the coaches you listed aren't rookieish as Zorn. Sparano and Smith have coordinator experience and Harbaugh coached Special Teams and Defensive backs at different times in Philly.

[Joe Kidd]

Everyone looks at two spots when a team is losing, head coach and QB. That is certainly understandable but it's not considering the many other issues this team has right now. Yes it all starts with Zorn, but can anyone deny that he hasn't done a good job with Campbell this year? I hope Zorn gets the chance to right this ship but with Snyder you just never know. I think Zorn has too much on his plate and he needs to quit play calling duties or bring in a QB coach. He seems to be drowning right now.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

and are the only team with the same running system as last year with a stud RB. The excuses about Campbell being "young" and needing to "learn" is a huge load of BS... and Zorn's sole responsibility this year has been Campbell and the passing offense which happens to be the absolute worst facet of the team... anyone??

We do not have the same running system. We're using the same terminology but its not the same system.

Installing a new running game isn't difficult. As far a 'stud' RB goes I would take the combo of Turner/Norwood or McGehee/McLain/Rice over Portis.
Both teams have better offensive lines.

Everyone knows that it takes 2-3 years to master the WCO, so Campbell is ahead of the learning curve.

[PennSkinsFan]

Listen, JC deserves some blame. The lack of a second receiver deserves blame. The pathetic offensive lien deserves blame. The play calling deserves blame. The Zorn/Portis situation deserves blame. The fact that players quit deserves blame. The fact this team is and not close to playing at a NYG, PITT, level is reality.

But to say it is all JC, or all Zorn, or all this. It is only one thing folks. Vinny Cerrato and Dan Snyder created this team, created this atmosphere. They deserve the blame.

Good bring in a new QB, bring in a new Coach, and what are you going to get? As long as these two idiots are calling the shots, you will have more of the same. This is 8 years of frustration folks, 8 years.