2009 Pro-Football Hall of Fame Inductees

[celts32]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well the guys that were here the longest were Bostic, Grimm and Jacoby. Grimm was injured during the 87 season and 88- 91 he was only used in short yardage. I'm not sure Grimm had enough years starting. Bostic was a good center but not great. He was benched during the 87 year and only got his job back cause Grimm got hurt. But he did start on 3 SB winning teams. Good player but not great. That leaves Jacoby. I think Jacoby has a strong case but he moved to guard when Lachey came on so what position does he go in as? Guard or tackle? I personally think Jacoby was the best out of the group and played/started for a long time.

All the other guys like RC Thielmann, Lachey, Mackenzie, Stink and May were all good players that started on SB teams. But I wouldn't consider any of them great players. Lachey might have had a chance but injuries did him in.

I agree that I thought Jacoby was probably the best of them. But if what your saying is that the Redskins assembled one of the best OL in history with a bunch of pretty good players then it would seem that Joe Bugel should have his own wing constructed in the HOF.

[irish]

All are deserving but I lived in Pgh when Woodson was in his prime and I always thought he was over-rated. All people talked about was his speed but he never seemed to run anyone down from behind. Also, Bruce Smith is and forever will be a Bill.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by irish

All are deserving but I lived in Pgh when Woodson was in his prime and I always thought he was over-rated. All people talked about was his speed but he never seemed to run anyone down from behind. Also, Bruce Smith is and forever will be a Bill.

Absolutely. Just like Monk is a Skin regardless of the Jets and Eagles. However, 29 sacks in 4 years here. Wouldn't we all like to see that from Jason Taylor, even if he is remembered as a Fin.

BTW, if (and I hope not but the media thinks he's a god) Deion Sanders goes into the HOF, what team claims him?

[SFREDSKIN]

No disrespect to McDaniel but how many SB rings does he have? None? How a bout Grimm? 4, possibly 5 today. Grimm was a beast just like McDaniel and as an interior lineman created huge holes for Riggo and was part of one of the most domineering OL's of all time if not the most. Grimm and Jacoby should both be in the HOF and I would have picked Grimm over McDaniel just because of what his team accomplished in that era (4 SB appearances, 3 championships). I hate all those writers that vote on the election starting with Peter "Fat****" King.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

No disrespect to McDaniel but how many SB rings does he have? None? How a bout Grimm? 4, possibly 5 today. Grimm was a beast just like McDaniel and as an interior lineman created huge holes for Riggo and was part of one of the most domineering OL's of all time if not the most. Grimm and Jacoby should both be in the HOF and I would have picked Grimm over McDaniel just because of what his team accomplished in that era (4 SB appearances, 3 championships). I hate all those writers that vote on the election starting with Peter "Fat****" King.

Thank you very much. Agree 100%

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Thank you very much. Agree 100%

It's the truth!! I'm sick of all these writers who are enamored with the 49ers and Cowboys. The Redskins team of the 80's was as good as the 49ers if not, better, the one thing we lacked was franchise QB. If the Skins could have had a QB like Montana they would have won 6 to 7 SB in that era. Don't laugh, it's true.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

It's the truth!! I'm sick of all these writers who are enamored with the 49ers and Cowboys. The Redskins team of the 80's was as good as the 49ers if not, better, the one thing we lacked was franchise QB. If the Skins could have had a QB like Montana they would have won 6 to 7 SB in that era. Don't laugh, it's true.

I'm not laughing. The 80's Skins IMO was "The Best" The Hogs should all be HOF We were not a glamour team. I remember everytime we were in a Super Bowl my friends could not believe it. I would say don't you watch the Skins play. Most of them didn't. The media seemed to treat them the same way. Nobody ever picked them to win. They had short highlights. It's like you had to be a Skins fan to truly appretiate what they were doing.

It was all about the Cowboys and 49s

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

No disrespect to McDaniel but how many SB rings does he have? None? How a bout Grimm? 4, possibly 5 today. Grimm was a beast just like McDaniel and as an interior lineman created huge holes for Riggo and was part of one of the most domineering OL's of all time if not the most. Grimm and Jacoby should both be in the HOF and I would have picked Grimm over McDaniel just because of what his team accomplished in that era (4 SB appearances, 3 championships). I hate all those writers that vote on the election starting with Peter "Fat****" King.

Well, that's also why you aren't voting on the hall of fame committee.

I don't think we really need to make self-serving arguments like this when TWO players from this era just went in for us last year, but that's just my opinion I guess.

On the field, McDaniel was way, way better than Grimm, and that's all the voters are supposed to judge on.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, that's also why you aren't voting on the hall of fame committee.

I don't think we really need to make self-serving arguments like this when TWO players from this era just went in for us last year, but that's just my opinion I guess.

On the field, McDaniel was way, way better than Grimm, and that's all the voters are supposed to judge on.

McDaniel was no better than Grimm, they were both as good. Show me his rings, the writers of the HOF are enamored with stats, perfect example Monk. Grimm should have been elected like Monk years ago. Don't forget Jacoby either and to show you that i'm not a homer, Derrick Thomas ahead of Charles Haley who has 5 SB and was a much better player, C'mon.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

McDaniel was no better than Grimm, they were both as good. Show me his rings, the writers of the HOF are enamored with stats, perfect example Monk. Grimm should have been elected like Monk years ago. Don't forget Jacoby either.

I do think it's a crime that Jacoby isn't a finalist either, but at Grimms super bowl winning peak, he was a first team all pro Guard. He was a perennial pro bowler for 4 seasons and a 3 time all pro.

McDaniel was a pro bowler for 12 straight seasons, and a 7 time all pro. If Grimm wasn't injured in what should have been his prime (ages 28-31), he could have been a sure-fire hall of famer. Instead, what we are left with is a HOF finalist whose strongest argument is that he embodies the spirit of the great offensive line he played on.

I think entire units should be eligible for hall of fame inclusion. There's no doubt the "Hogs" from 1982-1992 deserve to be in the Hall. But when you start comparing individuals to individuals, we just get weak arguments like Grimm>McDaniel, which just isn't true.

Again, I think the injustice here is that the Hogs can't all go in together, after all, the strength of the unit was in numbers, not in individual greatness.

[MTK]

McDaniels was a dominant lineman and his career is much more fresh in Hall voters' minds. I think the thing that hurts the Hogs is they were a great unit and voters don't necessarily think of them as great on their own as individuals.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

Kind words from Daniel Snyder, in reference to Bruce Smith getting Hall of Fame nod.

Smith Earns Induction Into Hall of Fame

Smith better thank Snyder big time at his induction ceremony. Snyder bent over backwards and set the franchise back a couple of years to meet Smith's wishes. So the least Bruce Smith, very deserving of the HoF by the way, can do is thank him.

As for Grimm, yeah it's too bad he's not in the Hall along with Jacoby and/or Lachey but it's not a travesty that McDaniel was selected before him.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Derrick Thomas was borderline, but I'm really happy for him that he did get in. There were some snubs who deserved it more than him though.

The real perplexing one is 'Bullet' Bob Hayes. Really? A dynamic kick returner early in his career, his career as a pass receiver certainly doesn't suggest that he would one day be in Canton. He was a good punt returner, but only 3 career TDs. I don't know how you can justify him over Sharpe, Carter, or even Andre Reed.

1) Derrick Thomas .......during his playing career was second only to Lawrence Taylor........some even say better.(no)
2) Remeber Bob hayes played at a different time and the game was different but his induction is past due,his value to the Cowboys was un measurable and he was one of the mains reasons for the Cowboys success.Noone deserves it more,players like Hayes don't get the regonition they deserve for making the NFL what it is today.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

No disrespect to McDaniel but how many SB rings does he have? None? How a bout Grimm? 4, possibly 5 today. Grimm was a beast just like McDaniel and as an interior lineman created huge holes for Riggo and was part of one of the most domineering OL's of all time if not the most. Grimm and Jacoby should both be in the HOF and I would have picked Grimm over McDaniel just because of what his team accomplished in that era (4 SB appearances, 3 championships). I hate all those writers that vote on the election starting with Peter "Fat****" King.

McDaniel played at a high level for a longer period of time. It's not all about SB's. Grimm didn't even start on the 87 and 91 teams and was a back up the last few years of his career. McDaniel was the better player and should go in before Grimm.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by celts32

I agree that I thought Jacoby was probably the best of them. But if what your saying is that the Redskins assembled one of the best OL in history with a bunch of pretty good players then it would seem that Joe Bugel should have his own wing constructed in the HOF.

I'd say a bunch of pretty good players that played great together. As I said the 91 line was probably the best line we've ever had. If Lachey played longer he'd probably go in hands down.