Another Haynesworth Thread: Will AH Be The Next Dana Stubblefield?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by EternalEnigma21

about Gardener: We didnt throw the money at him and I believe he was out of the league within a couple of years of his stint with washington... am I mistaken? What if we would have given him the contract he wanted?

Not that he sucked when he was here, but I was just thinking about high priced D linemen that got paid and disappeared off the face of the planet. I could probably think of other examples but my brain is fried.

He had degenerative back issues if you remember that made signing him to a long term deal pretty risky. The Skins passed and the Broncos took the bait. He was injured most of his first year with them in 2003 and out of football for good in 2004, due to his back.

[freddyg12]

Of course AH has different circumstances, but I think the comparison is inevitable if only because they played the same position, both coming off huge seasons,etc.

But here's something I think people are falsely analogizing; please correct me if I'm wrong, but Snyder didn't sign Stubby. The mgmt. of the Skins is different now, and though they've had a history of fa busts, in the last 2 seasons they've shown much greater judgment w/the fa's they've signed.

In addition, Stubby played for Norvelle, AH will be playing for Zorn & Blatche.

btw, I wasn't happy w/the signing, but I'm trying to look at the positives & in response to this thread, D. Stubby isn't the reason I don't like the signing. It's AH's history & the obvious cost & risk involved. I feel the money could've been much better used if we signed several mid level fa's. But now that he's here, I hope he's out there stompin heads for 16 games+ playoffs every year! (figuratively of course )

[44ever]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Of course AH has different circumstances, but I think the comparison is inevitable if only because they played the same position, both coming off huge seasons,etc.

But here's something I think people are falsely analogizing; please correct me if I'm wrong, but Snyder didn't sign Stubby. The mgmt. of the Skins is different now, and though they've had a history of fa busts, in the last 2 seasons they've shown much greater judgment w/the fa's they've signed.

In addition, Stubby played for Norvelle, AH will be playing for Zorn & Blatche.

btw, I wasn't happy w/the signing, but I'm trying to look at the positives & in response to this thread, D. Stubby isn't the reason I don't like the signing. It's AH's history & the obvious cost & risk involved. I feel the money could've been much better used if we signed several mid level fa's. But now that he's here, I hope he's out there stompin heads for 16 games+ playoffs every year! (figuratively of course )

Good post Freddy. Good points. I have stated in past posts that I am Happy and scared at the same time with AH. But like you. Now that he's here. I hope he's out there stompin heads for 16 games+ playoffs every year! (figuratively of course I think a lot of fans feel the same way.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Personally, I love the Haynesworth signing. And I've made my feelings known about the huge contract he received - it doesn't bother me one iota. But what I am leary about, which has been an undeniable trend here in Washington, we rarely get full contract value for the big name studs we bring here. So on one hand, I'm not concerned about the actual dollars he received, but on the other our history with these types of signings haven't produced stellar results.

Will the huge contract be a demotivator for Haynesworth? Will all of this end up being Dana Stubblefield all over again? Redskins nation had similiar high hopes after we signed Stubblefield and paired him up with Big Daddy Wilkerson. Stubblefield never returned to his highly touted Pro Bowl form as a Washington Redskin. Ultimately Stubblefield left the Skins, only to return to the bay area to play for the 49ers again, then the Raiders before being released by the New England Patriots in 2004. That being said, I think Haynesworth has Reggie White type potential and will ultimately live up to it. But I have my doubts.

I want you guys to weigh in on this.

Do you think Albert Haynesworth will actually live up to his contract, come close, or end up being yet another high profile signing of a long list of Redskins free agents that just didn't work out.

I don't think he's going to live up to his contract. I hope he does but history shows this isn't going to work out. I was reading an article about AH in The Post today and this guy has some issues. No way in hell am I paying a guy that much money unless I know I can 100% count on him. He has or had some anger issues where he's kicking and stomping on guys, fighting with teammates in practice, not playing the scheme of the defense, not listening to coaches....way too many red flags but our FO doesn't seem to care.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think he's going to live up to his contract. I hope he does but history shows this isn't going to work out. I was reading an article about AH in The Post today and this guy has some issues. No way in hell am I paying a guy that much money unless I know I can 100% count on him. He has or had some anger issues where he's kicking and stomping on guys, fighting with teammates in practice, not playing the scheme of the defense, not listening to coaches....way too many red flags but our FO doesn't seem to care.

Dude, this negativity is getting old. I honestly don't know why you even bother being a Redskins fan. You're entitled to your opinion and no one tells you that you have to like this deal, but you keep posting negative comments and now you've decided to create this thread on something that has been repeatedly brought up by other people in other AH threads and discussed repeatedly.

Look, why don't you go and become a Giants fan, since yesterday you were praising them so much because apparently they are going to be 5-deep in every position along their defensive line and you won't have to worry about AH becoming a bust.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Dude, this negativity is getting old. I honestly don't know why you even bother being a Redskins fan. You're entitled to your opinion and no one tells you that you have to like this deal, but you keep posting negative comments and now you've decided to create this thread on something that has been repeatedly brought up by other people in other AH threads and discussed repeatedly.

Look, why don't you go and become a Giants fan, since yesterday you were praising them so much because apparently they are going to be 5-deep in every position along their defensive line and you won't have to worry about AH becoming a bust.

You're right....I'm entitled to my opinion. Sorry you don't like it. I guess the truth hurts. And I wasn't praising the Giants.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You're right....I'm entitled to my opinion. Sorry you don't like it. I guess the truth hurts. And I wasn't praising the Giants.

I think he was referring to me.

Ruhskins:

The Giants signed Boley and Bernard all they have left is Canty. Like I said yesterday, if he's signed that Giants D will be unbelievable. Don't tell me it won't? Be realistic, we need to shore our OL to counteract them. My point was we put all our eggs into 2 signing when we could have been doing what the Giants have done smartly and will do if Canty is signed. Filling many holes which we have still.

I hate the Giants by the way!!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I think he was referring to me.

Ruhskins:

The Giants signed Boley and Bernard all they have left is Canty. Like I said yesterday, if he's signed that Giants D will be unbelievable. Don't tell me it won't? Be realistic, we need to shore our OL to counteract them. My point was we put all our eggs into 2 signing when we could have been doing what the Giants have done smartly and will do if Canty is signed. Filling many holes which we have still.

I hate the Giants by the way!!

I agree with your post 100%. Giants did it the right way IMO.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I think he was referring to me.

Ruhskins:

The Giants signed Boley and Bernard all they have left is Canty. Like I said yesterday, if he's signed that Giants D will be unbelievable. Don't tell me it won't? Be realistic, we need to shore our OL to counteract them. My point was we put all our eggs into 2 signing when we could have been doing what the Giants have done smartly and will do if Canty is signed. Filling many holes which we have still.

I hate the Giants by the way!!

Whoops, my bad.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I think he was referring to me.

Ruhskins:

The Giants signed Boley and Bernard all they have left is Canty. Like I said yesterday, if he's signed that Giants D will be unbelievable. Don't tell me it won't? Be realistic, we need to shore our OL to counteract them. My point was we put all our eggs into 2 signing when we could have been doing what the Giants have done smartly and will do if Canty is signed. Filling many holes which we have still.

I hate the Giants by the way!!

And if they don't sign Canty, the Giants will also have only made two signings and still won't have addressed their needs at WR, LT, or in the secondary

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You're right....I'm entitled to my opinion. Sorry you don't like it. I guess the truth hurts. And I wasn't praising the Giants.

No, what hurts is seeing another tired repetitive thread on the same stuff that's been discussed. But hey, maybe he will become a bust and hopefully that'll satisfy you.

[Skins fan 44]

Who knows.!? I think everyone is thinking about stubby first. I think he has a lot to prove and is wanting to show why he is worth all the money. Of course i guess we would not expect him to act any other way. I was talking to a Giants fan and I brought it up about stubby and he told be other other wise and how AH wants a ring so that got me thinking. Didnt Stubby already have everything?

[53Fan]

We just got the best DT in the league by far. We improved our d-line tremendously. Sure, let's bitch about it, why not? The glass is half FULL from where I'm sittin'.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

We just got the best DT in the league by far. We improved our d-line tremendously. Sure, let's bitch about it, why not? The glass is half FULL from where I'm sittin'.

I'm not trying to sound negative and I want the guy to be successful here. We're all Redskin fans. I've been a die-hard fan since I was a little kid in the mid 70's. But we've all been down this free agency road many many times w/out a lot of success.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm not trying to sound negative and I want the guy to be successful here. We're all Redskin fans. I've been a die-hard fan since I was a little kid in the mid 70's. But we've all been down this free agency road many many times w/out a lot of success.

But we've also had some success. Comparing is not a fair assessment of how a particular player is going to perform. Haynesworth is not Stubblefield. If you check out my posts I had big reservations about AH. But the more I see of him the more I like. He could be a bust. He could also be the greatest FA we've ever signed. All I know is the guy has performed like a beast the last couple of years and now he's ours. There is just as much chance that he'll continue to play great as there is that he'll lay down. I agree with SFREDSKIN that going the other way and signing Boley, Bernard, and Canty might have been the best way to go, but we didn't, and AH can have the biggest impact of any ONE defensive player in the league. I just think we need to give the guy a chance before we bury him with what COULD happen. I personally can't wait to see him on the field. He hasn't shown me any reason the last couple of years to think he'll do anything less than his best. Looks to me like the guy has made a decision to change his life and wants to be one of the greats of all time. Nothing wrong with that.