What to expect of the offense in '09?

CRedskinsRule · 03-30-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Vinny Cerrato doesn't mix words defending the Thomas selection:

I saw two Redskins games yesterday, including Cowboys-Skins on NFLN, and I've got to say, Thomas actually looks good as a blocker. Can't run routes, can't line up in the right spot, but he can absolutely block any DB who covers him.

I saw the Boys Skins, and was surprised to see 11 around the play as much as i did. Tripp are you so down on him, that you don't think he can grow and learn as he has more time in the NFL? Just wondering.

GTripp0012 · 03-30-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I saw the Boys Skins, and was surprised to see 11 around the play as much as i did. Tripp are you so down on him, that you don't think he can grow and learn as he has more time in the NFL? Just wondering.

Anything can happen. He's just so far behind everyone else that something very, very unexpected would have to happen for him to be even league average as a starter.

And if that happens, I can safely say that I never saw it coming.

All I really am saying is that the probability that DT catches up and learns the intricacies of a game he never really appeared to understand are somewhere near the chances that the Redskins find an undrafted free agent gem who storms the NFL and bumps Randle El to third receiver rotation with Kelly, all while racking up 8 TDs this season. Could happen, but when I'm doing my projections for the season, it's not something I'm counting on.

GTripp0012 · 03-30-2009, 02:15 PM

But what I was trying to point out is that: since Thomas is a more than adequate blocker, there's a reason to get him out on the field next year when there wouldn't otherwise be a reason. So if he's on the field, at least he's going to get a fair shake at development.

It remains to be seen what kind of blocker Malcolm Kelly will be in the NFL, but Davis and Thomas have already made a big impact in that aspect.

Monkeydad · 04-01-2009, 11:07 AM

It will improve if the line holds up. The re-addition of Doc is huge.

One of the rookie WRs will break out. Campbell will make the Pro Bowl. Yes, I said it.

mcludka · 04-01-2009, 11:30 AM

You can't expect to have Zorn running this openned up, complicated offense with deep routes when the O-line gave JC about 1.1 seconds to look downfield. That is what had the O hamstrung. Not Jim Zorn's imagination. when the Line gets fixed/healthy, the offense will magically open up. When the recievers prove they are a threat, the offense will magically open up. It's not Zorn.

KLHJ2 · 04-01-2009, 11:30 AM

What is "Offense"? I have never heard of that term before. Does it predate the 2nd Joe Gibbs era?

SouperMeister · 04-01-2009, 12:24 PM

Draft either Andre Smith or Michael Oher for the RT job, and our O-line should finally be able to protect Campbell in the passing game. Assuming that the young receivers drafted last year will contribute this year, and I like the prospects of our offense taking a big step forward.

70Chip · 04-01-2009, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mcludka

You can't expect to have Zorn running this openned up, complicated offense with deep routes when the O-line gave JC about 1.1 seconds to look downfield. That is what had the O hamstrung. Not Jim Zorn's imagination. when the Line gets fixed/healthy, the offense will magically open up. When the recievers prove they are a threat, the offense will magically open up. It's not Zorn.

You are never going to see the pass protection you're dreaming of in today's NFL. You need a QB and receivers that can make plays in spite of pressure, because pressure is now a fact of life against nearly all the good teams.

MTK · 04-01-2009, 12:32 PM

Here's what I expect... another garbage year from the offense. JC is out next year and so is Zorn. Then say hello to a big name signing at HC. Someone like Shanahan or Cowher. Depending on the development of last year's draft picks I could see Vinny getting the boot and Danny handing over total control to whichever big name coach he brings in.

Monksdown · 04-01-2009, 12:43 PM

Our offense will continue to struggle under Jason Campbell. He will have another 3-6 games of seeming like he's the real deal at some point. And the rest will fall apart when Clinton gets sidelined with an injury for a few games. Coincidentally Ladell will be banged up a little from a hamstring or something at roughly the same time.

Our offensive line will suffer one significant injury that will push one of our draft picks into the lineup a bit early. Which will pay dividends next year and subsequent years.

WideOut: Santana catches 50 balls for 5 tds with an abnormally high drop count. Thomas takes a step forward this year and begins to show some of his natural talent. Malcolm Kelly might dress for 8 games, and will be off the team next year.

Tight End: Chris will lead the team in catches, and his TD count will be significantly higher than last year. (that shouldn't be tough)

Another 8-8 year, all laid at the feet of Zorn and JC. Goodbye boys, bring on Shanahan.

53Fan · 04-01-2009, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Here's what I expect... another garbage year from the offense. JC is out next year and so is Zorn. Then say hello to a big name signing at HC. Someone like Shanahan or Cowher. Depending on the development of last year's draft picks I could see Vinny getting the boot and Danny handing over total control to whichever big name coach he brings in.

Ok mister...where's Matty? This is obviously a case of identity theft.

CRedskinsRule · 04-01-2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

Ok mister...where's Matty? This is obviously a case of identity theft.

LOL between this and another post in the Cutler thread, I seriously think we need to call in search and rescue (or s.w.a.t. if a ransom thread is started!!)

over the mountain · 04-01-2009, 12:53 PM

what do i expect from the offense this year?

the exact same offense we've had for years and years imo. Bottom half in the league in scoring and yards, portis puts up another 1,000 plus yards season, and we continue to hear zorn and co. talking about how they have to stretch the field which they havent been able to do for a decade now and tomorrow isnt looking to good either.

solid, timely and ball secure offense is all our D really needs to put up another 8 win season, give or take a W.

i dont see any reason to think our O will improve from last unless thomas really steps it up.

ps - cooley should get back to the 8-10 td range, last years low td # should not become the norm for him.

go skins!!

SouperMeister · 04-01-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Here's what I expect... another garbage year from the offense. JC is out next year and so is Zorn. Then say hello to a big name signing at HC. Someone like Shanahan or Cowher. Depending on the development of last year's draft picks I could see Vinny getting the boot and Danny handing over total control to whichever big name coach he brings in.

So would that be the "aim your expectations low" approach so that you won't be disappointed if we underperform? I only see one direction for this offense to go, and that's up. Learning the WCO is a process for both QB and receivers, and rarely does it yield results until season 2 at the earliest. I will become concerned if we haven't seen significant progress by mid-season.

clarkskin · 04-01-2009, 01:33 PM

I expect a good year. I don't understand those out there who want everything both ways. Here we are in a situation where we FINALLY have some continuity going on, yet many of you think the offense will suck because we haven't made enough personnel moves (with the skill positions.) JC will have a better feel for the scheme. The young WR's--at least one of them--should emerge and contribute. Those two things alone will allow Zorn to open things up more. Adding another couple pieces to the o-line will be necessary, and they'll get that done.

Zorn is a smart guy and will learn from last year.

03-30-2009, 02:15 PM	#33
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 36 Posts: 15,994	Re: What to expect of the offense in '09? But what I was trying to point out is that: since Thomas is a more than adequate blocker, there's a reason to get him out on the field next year when there wouldn't otherwise be a reason. So if he's on the field, at least he's going to get a fair shake at development. It remains to be seen what kind of blocker Malcolm Kelly will be in the NFL, but Davis and Thomas have already made a big impact in that aspect. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

04-01-2009, 11:07 AM	#34
Monkeydad Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Age: 45 Posts: 17,460	Re: What to expect of the offense in '09? It will improve if the line holds up. The re-addition of Doc is huge. One of the rookie WRs will break out. Campbell will make the Pro Bowl. Yes, I said it. __________________ Not sent from a Droid, iPhone, Blackberry or toaster Last edited by Monkeydad; 04-01-2009 at 11:19 AM.

04-01-2009, 11:30 AM	#35
mcludka Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Scranton, PA Posts: 38	Re: What to expect of the offense in '09? You can't expect to have Zorn running this openned up, complicated offense with deep routes when the O-line gave JC about 1.1 seconds to look downfield. That is what had the O hamstrung. Not Jim Zorn's imagination. when the Line gets fixed/healthy, the offense will magically open up. When the recievers prove they are a threat, the offense will magically open up. It's not Zorn.

04-01-2009, 11:30 AM	#36
KLHJ2 Inactive Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 46 Posts: 5,829	Re: What to expect of the offense in '09? What is "Offense"? I have never heard of that term before. Does it predate the 2nd Joe Gibbs era?

04-01-2009, 12:24 PM	#37
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 60 Posts: 3,419	Re: What to expect of the offense in '09? Draft either Andre Smith or Michael Oher for the RT job, and our O-line should finally be able to protect Campbell in the passing game. Assuming that the young receivers drafted last year will contribute this year, and I like the prospects of our offense taking a big step forward.

04-01-2009, 12:32 PM	#39
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	Re: What to expect of the offense in '09? Here's what I expect... another garbage year from the offense. JC is out next year and so is Zorn. Then say hello to a big name signing at HC. Someone like Shanahan or Cowher. Depending on the development of last year's draft picks I could see Vinny getting the boot and Danny handing over total control to whichever big name coach he brings in. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

04-01-2009, 12:43 PM	#40
Monksdown The Starter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrenton, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 1,515	Re: What to expect of the offense in '09? Our offense will continue to struggle under Jason Campbell. He will have another 3-6 games of seeming like he's the real deal at some point. And the rest will fall apart when Clinton gets sidelined with an injury for a few games. Coincidentally Ladell will be banged up a little from a hamstring or something at roughly the same time. Our offensive line will suffer one significant injury that will push one of our draft picks into the lineup a bit early. Which will pay dividends next year and subsequent years. WideOut: Santana catches 50 balls for 5 tds with an abnormally high drop count. Thomas takes a step forward this year and begins to show some of his natural talent. Malcolm Kelly might dress for 8 games, and will be off the team next year. Tight End: Chris will lead the team in catches, and his TD count will be significantly higher than last year. (that shouldn't be tough) Another 8-8 year, all laid at the feet of Zorn and JC. Goodbye boys, bring on Shanahan.

04-01-2009, 12:53 PM	#43
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: What to expect of the offense in '09? what do i expect from the offense this year? the exact same offense we've had for years and years imo. Bottom half in the league in scoring and yards, portis puts up another 1,000 plus yards season, and we continue to hear zorn and co. talking about how they have to stretch the field which they havent been able to do for a decade now and tomorrow isnt looking to good either. solid, timely and ball secure offense is all our D really needs to put up another 8 win season, give or take a W. i dont see any reason to think our O will improve from last unless thomas really steps it up. ps - cooley should get back to the 8-10 td range, last years low td # should not become the norm for him. go skins!! __________________ Life is brutal, but beautiful

04-01-2009, 01:33 PM	#45
clarkskin Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: ocean city Posts: 6	Re: What to expect of the offense in '09? I expect a good year. I don't understand those out there who want everything both ways. Here we are in a situation where we FINALLY have some continuity going on, yet many of you think the offense will suck because we haven't made enough personnel moves (with the skill positions.) JC will have a better feel for the scheme. The young WR's--at least one of them--should emerge and contribute. Those two things alone will allow Zorn to open things up more. Adding another couple pieces to the o-line will be necessary, and they'll get that done. Zorn is a smart guy and will learn from last year.

What to expect of the offense in '09?

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