If Texas Secedes, they won't be "America's Team"

[saden1]

I'm I wrong in thinking that this thread no longer meets the Locker Room standards?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by saden1

I'm I wrong in thinking that this thread no longer meets the Locker Room standards?

Not sure why it was there in the first place

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Not sure why it was there in the first place

Ah, SS I think Chuck wants it in the Locker Room, maybe we should move it back.

[FRPLG]

If we're talking pratically then yeah no chance this ever happens. Or is even attempted. It's just posturing anyways. If we are talking philosophically why can't Texas leave if they want?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

If we're talking pratically then yeah no chance this ever happens. Or is even attempted. It's just posturing anyways. If we are talking philosophically why can't Texas leave if they want?

A large percentage of Texans wouldn't want to secedes. What is stopping them from seceding from Texas? At this point fragmentation of the entire state is bound. Joining is truly one way, especially after 164 years.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

If we're talking pratically then yeah no chance this ever happens. Or is even attempted. It's just posturing anyways. If we are talking philosophically why can't Texas leave if they want?

Secession at its core is really just about the freedom of disassociation. In the same way a battered wife has every right to dissolve the relationship with her abusive husband, states should have the right to dissolve their relationship with the federal government.

If one person in a relationship tries to leave but the other forcibly makes them stay, what sort of relationship is that, really?

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Secession at its core is really just about the freedom of disassociation. In the same way a battered wife has every right to dissolve the relationship with her abusive husband, states should have the right to dissolve their relationship with the federal government.

If one person in a relationship tries to leave but the other forcibly makes them stay, what sort of relationship is that, really?

Put a dirty white wifebeater on Uncle Sam then because there would be no way any state is leaving this union peacefully.


Blood was shed to get in, and blood will be shed to get out. Blood In, Blood Out, just like my favorite Benjamin Bratt movie.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Put a dirty white wifebeater on Uncle Sam then because there would be no way any state is leaving this union peacefully.


Blood was shed to get in, and blood will be shed to get out. Blood In, Blood Out, just like my favorite Benjamin Bratt movie.

Well, not exactly. Blood was shed to get free of England certainly, but the Founders looked at their states as their own countries. They didn't shed blood to swear allegiance to a massive leviathan of a federal government with no way out. In their eyes, the United States of America was plural, not singular. You're right about the second part though -- Lincoln made it clear that if anyone tried to leave, he'd send the army in to kill those who tried.

It's funny how Lincoln is held up as some sort of god because of this.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Well, not exactly. Blood was shed to get free of England certainly, but the Founders looked at their states as their own countries. They didn't shed blood to swear allegiance to a massive leviathan of a federal government with no way out. In their eyes, the United States of America was plural, not singular. You're right about the second part though -- Lincoln made it clear that if anyone tried to leave, he'd send the army in to kill those who tried.

It's funny how Lincoln is held up as some sort of god because of this.

Sssshhhh. You can't ever talk about how the civil war and Lincoln actually destroyed what our founding fathers founded. It's not the accepted version of history.

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

If we're talking pratically then yeah no chance this ever happens. Or is even attempted. It's just posturing anyways. If we are talking philosophically why can't Texas leave if they want?

Manifest Destiny?

[SmootSmack]

Isn't Vermont trying to secede as well...and Maine?

[CRedskinsRule]

For what it's worth, I believe the colonies were in financial trouble when they seceded. At least I know that during the Articles of Confederation period, paying national debts were a major stumbling block to the Articles success.
Maybe a unified California could secede, divide, secede from each other and re-join the 2 states in the US. North and South California. any takers?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

For what it's worth, I believe the colonies were in financial trouble when they seceded. At least I know that during the Articles of Confederation period, paying national debts were a major stumbling block to the Articles success.
Maybe a unified California could secede, divide, secede from each other and re-join the 2 states in the US. North and South California. any takers?

LOL, I've often thought that about Texas, divide it to east texas / west texas. But then again, what does west Texas have to offer anyone? That is like the mole on texas as a whole. But I guess every state needs an imperfection right?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by jsarno

LOL, I've often thought that about Texas, divide it to east texas / west texas. But then again, what does west Texas have to offer anyone? That is like the mole on texas as a whole. But I guess every state needs an imperfection right?

They already have the Cowboys!

[FRPLG]

It's all a moot point anyways. No State has the capacity or willingness to do it. All the poll shows is that 75% of Texans polled aren't complete dolts who think they can survive a global economy and massive geopolitical forces working against every country in the world nowadays.