Still Don't get why Move Orakpo to LB

[Beemnseven]

Since the knock on Andre Carter is that he's not great at run-stopping, you don't want him on one end and the 260 lb. Orakpo (who's also not known for his run-stopping ability) on the other.

I actually think Orakpo will line up in all sorts of places on obvious passing downs.

[D'BOYZ]

Ok I don't get why so many of you compare his possition to Ware's... they play different Schemes one is a 3-4 and the other is the 4-3 . Ware in the 3-4 is close to the line and is used in the outside againts LT TE and RB, Orakpo is i nthe 4-3 outside where he plays against TE,LT and G mostly and he's 5 yards behind the line.

Ware covers 30% of the plays at the most... Orakpo has to cover at least 50% if not more, it's not the same not even close.... Yes many DE are drafted to play LB but that's OLB in the 3-4 not the 4-3...

Ohhh and to the Giant fan that said Ware isn't good in coverage hahaha

[diehard]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

Ok I don't get why so many of you compare his possition to Ware's... they play different Schemes one is a 3-4 and the other is the 4-3 . Ware in the 3-4 is close to the line and is used in the outside againts LT TE and RB, Orakpo is i nthe 4-3 outside where he plays against TE,LT and G mostly and he's 5 yards behind the line.

Ware covers 30% of the plays at the most... Orakpo has to cover at least 50% if not more, it's not the same not even close.... Yes many DE are drafted to play LB but that's OLB in the 3-4 not the 4-3...

Ohhh and to the Giant fan that said Ware isn't good in coverage hahaha

I also said Ware isn't good (I meant great) in coverage. Man or zone. Cooley pisses on him everytime, as he does with most LBs and DLs trying to cover him but, no offense. Ware is a beast of a player. There's no doubt about it. Let Orakpo prove what he can do this year. Something I've noticed about Orakpo, he doesn't appear as big as he's listed. Maybe it's just that he doesn't have the long wingspan as Ware or maybe it's the pads. Arrington seemed really big for a LB but, none of these observations have to do with being a gamer.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Is it just me or has Orakpo looked just fine at LB? He's not looking like a Pro Bowler at LB, but he certainly looks competent.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by saden1

You know what I'm saying? I actually think he's pretty good at sniffing out a run and going after the ball carrier. He's a pretty strong fella too and you can't simply push him around like any other tweener type DE.

Yeah I don't think he is bad at all. I think having Carter, Daniels and Orakpo on the field is a better running defense than Carter, Orakpo and xxxLB. I also think having Carter, Orakpo and xxxLB is the best pass defnse. We're in total agreement...Orakpo needs to be on the field all 3 downs.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Is it just me or has Orakpo looked just fine at LB? He's not looking like a Pro Bowler at LB, but he certainly looks competent.

Exactly.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

Ok I don't get why so many of you compare his possition to Ware's... they play different Schemes one is a 3-4 and the other is the 4-3 . Ware in the 3-4 is close to the line and is used in the outside againts LT TE and RB, Orakpo is i nthe 4-3 outside where he plays against TE,LT and G mostly and he's 5 yards behind the line.

Ware covers 30% of the plays at the most... Orakpo has to cover at least 50% if not more, it's not the same not even close.... Yes many DE are drafted to play LB but that's OLB in the 3-4 not the 4-3...

Ohhh and to the Giant fan that said Ware isn't good in coverage hahaha

A couple of things:
1) The Redskins have begun playing more "hybrid" schemes, mixing 4-3 looks with 3-4 and 3-3-5 looks.
2) Rak won't be playing in coverage 50% of the time, as you say, because he will be a hand-down defensive end on 3rd down and blitz sometimes on 1st and 2nd downs

So the difference between Orakpo and Ware, in terms of scheme, is actually not so great.

Now, #3: Ware does often struggle in coverage, like it or not

[hail_2_da_skins]

I have a feeling that we are not seeing the complete defensive package that the Redskins will use in the regular season. Looks like the Skins have been running their basic zones and man coverage schemes. I think in the regular season they will be moving Rak around more to use his versatility.

[D'BOYZ]

look I'm not saying Orakpo isn't a great rusher he is and he has shown flashes at preseason but if you focus on him and please do he's still lost in coverage and he plays more coverage plays at least pre season that you would like 2....

Hey he is your guy/ future and everything i get that and I know you have to defend him but to think that right now he's not a liability out there is going out blind.... it's like me saying Roy Williams Wasn't a Liability at coverage out there each week.

[CRedskinsRule]

Actually it's more like me going to a Cowboys site, and making a thread saying Felix Jones may be an outstanding runner, but will he last the season. It may be a fair thread, but do you think I have standing to do that.

And for the record, I do go to a boys site, have discussions etc, but I would not start that thread, and if i did, the less tactful posters would just start throwing crud out there. I think everyone here has respectfully disagreed with your basic premise.

Finally, I would also say that I have watched the games, and think that he has held his own. Not probowl, but not clueless either. Will it change once the DCs start gameplanning for him, maybe so.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

Ok I don't get why so many of you compare his possition to Ware's... they play different Schemes one is a 3-4 and the other is the 4-3 . Ware in the 3-4 is close to the line and is used in the outside againts LT TE and RB, Orakpo is i nthe 4-3 outside where he plays against TE,LT and G mostly and he's 5 yards behind the line.

Ware covers 30% of the plays at the most... Orakpo has to cover at least 50% if not more, it's not the same not even close.... Yes many DE are drafted to play LB but that's OLB in the 3-4 not the 4-3...

Ohhh and to the Giant fan that said Ware isn't good in coverage hahaha

Not all 4-3 defenses are created equal. Blache rushes the Sam a lot, hence the comparison. He uses that player as a rush player more than most 4-3 coordinators. That is why Aaron Maybin's skill set would also have worked, but luckily Buffalo jumped on him at #11 and let Orakpo slide since Maybin was a much less proven commodity. It is also why they were thinking of moving Jason Taylor to that position prior to releasing him (they did it a little in the 2nd Philly game with Taylor as well, why they did not do it more during the season I have no idea). We've actually had all of these conversations before, including mentioning players who moved from 4-3 end in college to 4-3 Sam in the pros (Marcus Washington, Mathias Kiwanuka).

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by D'BOYZ

Hey Guys I watch your game this week and I still don't get why your team is trying to move him to OLB in the 4-3. Orakpo looked good when he was playing as a down lineman but looked completely lost when he was used as a LB specially in coverage.

Why draft a Player with HUGE pass rushing skills and use him as a cover LB... why not draft a LB then.

You don't get it because you're a Cowboys fan.

He WILL be pass rushing from both positions this year. Switching him between the positions keeps him on the field for more plays, plus we're deeper on the D-line than LB currently, so he can fill a need while allowing another good DLman to get on the field. He's proven he can play LB, he's fast and I disagree about him looking lost, he did not give up any big plays and was in on a lot of tackles, as well as in the QB's facemask.

By playing him at LB on some plays, we can get more talent on the field besides him and also use his talents the way they should be.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Is it just me or has Orakpo looked just fine at LB? He's not looking like a Pro Bowler at LB, but he certainly looks competent.

I agree 110%. If you put him at RDE or LDE you always know where he is coming from at LB you have to guess.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Pretty much how I feel. He was the best talent at our spot and we need to him to stay on the field on all downs. So he gets to play SLB until its a clear passing down. It's the best use of his talent. He'd be wasted trying to stop the run anyways.

wasn't he a bit slow pursuing the run from the outside? I seriously forget games very shortly after watching

[charlied72]

He's quick, he will still be used as a DE but primarily as a hybrid. He's very athletic. He can ( and has shown) he can rush the passer but from what i have seen he seems to be a natural at LB.