Gray, Smith likely interim coach choices

Monkeydad · 10-12-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Based on the reports of Snyder's continued "tantrums", he's not improving in becoming a leader of men. Great marketer, poor leader.

I can't blame Snyder for not wanting to board the plane with Zorn or the team. It was an embarrassing loss after leading by 15 in the second half.

I don't consider this a tantrum...it seems more like a move of self-control. It would have been an ugly scene.

I really hate to say it, but I'm to the point where I think Zorn should be removed immediately. His playcalling never improves, he's not learning from mistakes and he's just in over his head. Personally, I love the guy. He's a great person. However, he just isn't ready for a role of leadership without experience. (seems popular for D.C. right now though)

We should install a new coach this week and not wait for Zorn's playcalls to fail against the Eagles before the bye week. Let the new coach rally the guys and maybe we can show up against Philly.

It's painful to admit it won't work. I had all of the optimism for Zorn that he's get it. Apparently, that 6-2 start last season was leftover from Coach Gibbs.

Slingin Sammy 33 · 10-12-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think he's given up on trying with Ron Wolf. I think he talks with Bruce Allen (and maybe Casserly as well) pretty regularly but I guess I thought you were talking about current employees of other teams.

I think Scott Campbell is gone after this season. I at one point thought he might get bumped up but now not so sure

I don't know the rules on talking with GMs of other teams, but if there's no rules on it then he needs to open the checkbook and go after Tannenbaum from the Jets, A.J. Smith from San Diego, or Dimitroff from ATL.

Dirtbag59 · 10-12-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by redskins5044

should have drafted Michael Oher. but we probably would have moved him to fullback. lol

Orakpo was the right pick. He's to good to pass up and he's already on track to compete for DROY. However we dug our grave before that, by not using a second round pick on an O-lineman in 2008 and drafting a CB in the third round in 2009. Plus getting only one free agent O-lineman that made the team didn't help either. We would be in much better shape if we had just brought in Ray Willis. I'm assuming we're going to have a top 10 pick next year so I'm thinking that the first pick will probably be a QB, either Colt or Bradford. After that though we should use our next two picks on OL. Preferably a Tackle in the second round and a quality center in the third.

dmvskinzfan08 · 10-12-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by redskins5044

should have drafted michael oher. But we probably would have moved him to fullback. Lol

rotfl!!!

firstdown · 10-12-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

Changing the coach really can't make that much a difference. It's not like it will give Campbell more time to throw or our WR more open.

Firing Zorn would just be a heat of passion move more than anything.

Well look what it did for the 49er's as they started turning things around at the end of last year.

tryfuhl · 10-12-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

Another logical miss was when Samuels went down, rather than play someone at LT who has never played it at the NFL level, why not slide Heyer to LT, Williams to RT and Will Montgomery to RG? Did Montgomery go from competing for a starting job when Thomas went down to 4th on the depth chart in 2 weeks?

That's what I was wondering in the gameday thread

tryfuhl · 10-12-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Oh right, got ya. That plane ride would have been ugly if he was on the plane. He probably would have just started pushing people off without a parachute

He'd probably offer them money to start winning.

Trample the Elderly · 10-13-2009, 01:05 PM

Either Coach would be good if you ask me. Zorn is lost. I like the idea of Danny Smith. After watching him try to school Zorn on the side-line he appears to know a lot more about play calling. I don't know much about Gray, but from what I see he appears to be no nonsense too. Either way Zorn is done.

BDBohnzie · 10-13-2009, 02:09 PM

Could be as early as next Monday if the Skins decide to give another winless team their first victory of the season, but I would imagine that Zorn's done by the final whistle of the Eagles game. I'd imagine Sherman Smith would be out as well, with Sherm Lewis taking over as offensive coordinator. Gray or Smith can lead the sinking ship into the depths of the NFC East basement.

The only way the Redskins will ever completely start over is if Snyder decides to put his massively large ego aside and hire a football man to be his GM and let said GM call the shots. Until that day happens (I've yet to hear about hell freezing over or see pigs flying), it really won't matter who Snyder pays to be head coach, they will be limited by what the Front Office wants to do.

SmootSmack · 10-13-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

Could be as early as next Monday if the Skins decide to give another winless team their first victory of the season, but I would imagine that Zorn's done by the final whistle of the Eagles game. I'd imagine Sherman Smith would be out as well, with Sherm Lewis taking over as offensive coordinator. Gray or Smith can lead the sinking ship into the depths of the NFC East basement.

The only way the Redskins will ever completely start over is if Snyder decides to put his massively large ego aside and hire a football man to be his GM and let said GM call the shots. Until that day happens (I've yet to hear about hell freezing over or see pigs flying), it really won't matter who Snyder pays to be head coach, they will be limited by what the Front Office wants to do.

So when you say a "football man" what exactly do you mean?

Trample the Elderly · 10-13-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So when you say a "football man" what exactly do you mean?

I can't speak for him, but I was thinking someone who would draft a tackle or a guard that can start and finish a game.

JoeRedskin · 10-13-2009, 02:43 PM

It's not Snyder's football acumen that I detest - I am with Smoot (I think) in that I believe our talent aquisition has not been that bad with the glaring example of the OLine.

It's Snyder's favoritism and pettiness that I think muddle the pie. If I'm the new coach, I would say - "Mr. Snyder, if I find my guys hanging out with you, calling you, or in any way interacting with you in a way I have not approved, I will cut them. Then you can pal around with them all you like. I don't care if its the QB you personally recruited during the FA signing period. Consider it a 'non-fraternization policy'. You want to speak to the team on occasion - hey fine as long as it is to the ENTIRE team and not just one or two guys."

Obviously, Snyder would never go for that.

SBXVII · 10-13-2009, 02:53 PM

Logic would say that Smith or Gray should be candidates until seasons end. But.....

Gray is a defensive coach and the defense is doing rather well right now. Smith is an offensive coach has only coached at the college level prior to here. Plus some say he does not know Zorn's offense well enough to call plays.

If a change is made logically it would be made at the break except for the fact that after the Detroit game DS ran/flew to Denver to speak with Shanahan. Reports were he was pissed off that we lost. If this is even remotely true then the best candidate to relieve Zorn would be a WCO guru who also studied under Holmgren. Which is why I think Gruden is DS's main choice. He's hoping that there will not be much of a scheme change and that the system can be tweeked enough to start winning games. Holmgren would be a good choice as well.

I know the NFC East has to be a major want on any Coach's wish list due to it being so hard but if I were Gruden I would also tell DS I would take the job so long as Cerrato is gone. Force DS to change up the front office as it should be or have fun trying to pick up any decent HC. Let him realize no one wants to work with Cerrato and no one wants him meddling with what they are trying to accomplish.

celts32 · 10-13-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So when you say a "football man" what exactly do you mean?

How about someone that if available at least one of the the other 31 teams would want to hire?

SmootSmack · 10-13-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

It's not Snyder's football acumen that I detest - I am with Smoot (I think) in that I believe our talent aquisition has not been that bad with the glaring example of the OLine.

It's Snyder's favoritism and pettiness that I think muddle the pie. If I'm the new coach, I would say - "Mr. Snyder, if I find my guys hanging out with you, calling you, or in any way interacting with you in a way I have not approved, I will cut them. Then you can pal around with them all you like. I don't care if its the QB you personally recruited during the FA signing period. Consider it a 'non-fraternization policy'. You want to speak to the team on occasion - hey fine as long as it is to the ENTIRE team and not just one or two guys."

Obviously, Snyder would never go for that.

You're with me!

The favoritism element is not exclusive to the Redskins. So I don't expect that would change.

What we really need is more restraint. I think Snyder (and I mentioned this in another thread) will do whatever it takes to get whoever he wants, Vinny wants, Zorn wants, Blache wants, Bugel wants, Gibbs wants, Saunders wants, and so on. And to an extent that's great, you want an owner who will not hesitate to get you what you need.

At the same time though, someone has to be the "dad" here and be the disciplinarian. Then maybe this time next year we wouldn't be wondering how come Campbell, Duckett, Taylor, and Lloyd aren't here anymore...and neither are a first, second, three thirds, and fourth and a sixth

10-13-2009, 01:05 PM	#38
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 47 Posts: 2,906	Re: Gray, Smith likely interim coach choices Either Coach would be good if you ask me. Zorn is lost. I like the idea of Danny Smith. After watching him try to school Zorn on the side-line he appears to know a lot more about play calling. I don't know much about Gray, but from what I see he appears to be no nonsense too. Either way Zorn is done. __________________ A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.

10-13-2009, 02:09 PM	#39
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 45 Posts: 4,628	Re: Gray, Smith likely interim coach choices Could be as early as next Monday if the Skins decide to give another winless team their first victory of the season, but I would imagine that Zorn's done by the final whistle of the Eagles game. I'd imagine Sherman Smith would be out as well, with Sherm Lewis taking over as offensive coordinator. Gray or Smith can lead the sinking ship into the depths of the NFC East basement. The only way the Redskins will ever completely start over is if Snyder decides to put his massively large ego aside and hire a football man to be his GM and let said GM call the shots. Until that day happens (I've yet to hear about hell freezing over or see pigs flying), it really won't matter who Snyder pays to be head coach, they will be limited by what the Front Office wants to do. __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

10-13-2009, 02:43 PM	#42
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Gray, Smith likely interim coach choices It's not Snyder's football acumen that I detest - I am with Smoot (I think) in that I believe our talent aquisition has not been that bad with the glaring example of the OLine. It's Snyder's favoritism and pettiness that I think muddle the pie. If I'm the new coach, I would say - "Mr. Snyder, if I find my guys hanging out with you, calling you, or in any way interacting with you in a way I have not approved, I will cut them. Then you can pal around with them all you like. I don't care if its the QB you personally recruited during the FA signing period. Consider it a 'non-fraternization policy'. You want to speak to the team on occasion - hey fine as long as it is to the ENTIRE team and not just one or two guys." Obviously, Snyder would never go for that. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

10-13-2009, 02:53 PM	#43
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Gray, Smith likely interim coach choices Logic would say that Smith or Gray should be candidates until seasons end. But..... Gray is a defensive coach and the defense is doing rather well right now. Smith is an offensive coach has only coached at the college level prior to here. Plus some say he does not know Zorn's offense well enough to call plays. If a change is made logically it would be made at the break except for the fact that after the Detroit game DS ran/flew to Denver to speak with Shanahan. Reports were he was pissed off that we lost. If this is even remotely true then the best candidate to relieve Zorn would be a WCO guru who also studied under Holmgren. Which is why I think Gruden is DS's main choice. He's hoping that there will not be much of a scheme change and that the system can be tweeked enough to start winning games. Holmgren would be a good choice as well. I know the NFC East has to be a major want on any Coach's wish list due to it being so hard but if I were Gruden I would also tell DS I would take the job so long as Cerrato is gone. Force DS to change up the front office as it should be or have fun trying to pick up any decent HC. Let him realize no one wants to work with Cerrato and no one wants him meddling with what they are trying to accomplish.

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