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Old 10-16-2009, 08:17 AM   #31
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Re: Should Snyder listen to his players?

So are these players saying that they can't play hard unless they know that Jim Zorn will be around for the rest of the season? Here's an idea: Why don't the players play hard and blow out KC instead of asking management to do something that management won't do at this time, namely, endorse Jim Zorn. Blowing out KC would do far more for Jim Zorn's future as the Redskins HC than any words of support could ever do.

This is a team that hasn't played hard for their HC since the opening game of the season. If they truly care about him then why won't they play hard for him?

There are some real good talkers on this team. Players talk about the owner, the FO, the other players. Then, when they're on the field and it's time to reach down and summon the extra effort needed to win, they don't do it.

I say to the Redskins players, if you really want to keep Jim Zorn as your coach, then come out with a purpose on Sunday and blow out the KC Chiefs.

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Old 10-16-2009, 08:48 AM   #32
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Great read, my beef is with VC. Is he not the acting GM? Snyder is a passionate fan just like pretty much all of us, he needs to realize that you build a franchise not buy one. I hope after this year that he has learned that lesson.
That presupposes Snyder has given Vinny complete control and has no input whatsoever. Snyder didn't give Vinny the keys to car and walk away. I believe Vinny is front man for what Snyder really wants to do. If it doesn't work, Cerrato conveniently gets the blame, but nothing ever happens to him.

And that's why nothing ever will happen to him. Snyder has "suggestions" *wink, wink*, and what's Vinny going to do? He certainly can't overrule Snyder.

Snyder = Emperor Palpatine.
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Old 10-16-2009, 09:26 AM   #33
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So are these players saying that they can't play hard unless they know that Jim Zorn will be around for the rest of the season? Here's an idea: Why don't the players play hard and blow out KC instead of asking management to do something that management won't do at this time, namely, endorse Jim Zorn. Blowing out KC would do far more for Jim Zorn's future as the Redskins HC than any words of support could ever do.

This is a team that hasn't played hard for their HC since the opening game of the season. If they truly care about him then why won't they play hard for him?

There are some real good talkers on this team. Players talk about the owner, the FO, the other players. Then, when they're on the field and it's time to reach down and summon the extra effort needed to win, they don't do it.

I say to the Redskins players, if you really want to keep Jim Zorn as your coach, then come out with a purpose on Sunday and blow out the KC Chiefs.
As much as I've complained about the FO not coming out in support of their coach, I still agree with this. Take it into your own hands players. If you want Zorn to be your coach. WIN for him!
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Old 10-16-2009, 09:29 AM   #34
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Re: Should Snyder listen to his players?

I keep hearing from people that you would think.....know. Doc Walker (who is a PLAYER GUY) talking about the apparent lack of strong locker room leadership. As you say 53, rally around the guy and play as a "unit".
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I keep hearing from people that you would think.....know. Doc Walker (who is a PLAYER GUY) talking about the apparent lack of strong locker room leadership. As you say 53, rally around the guy and play as a "unit".
I think thats been their downfall all year Hog. Unite and play with purpose. Everyone get on the same page. If you want to save his job...save it. Don't just talk about it.
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So are these players saying that they can't play hard unless they know that Jim Zorn will be around for the rest of the season? Here's an idea: Why don't the players play hard and blow out KC instead of asking management to do something that management won't do at this time, namely, endorse Jim Zorn. Blowing out KC would do far more for Jim Zorn's future as the Redskins HC than any words of support could ever do.

This is a team that hasn't played hard for their HC since the opening game of the season. If they truly care about him then why won't they play hard for him?

There are some real good talkers on this team. Players talk about the owner, the FO, the other players. Then, when they're on the field and it's time to reach down and summon the extra effort needed to win, they don't do it.

I say to the Redskins players, if you really want to keep Jim Zorn as your coach, then come out with a purpose on Sunday and blow out the KC Chiefs.
Pretty much how I feel at this point. If the players want to stop answering questions regarding Zorn's job, then go out and let your play speak for him on the field.
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Old 10-16-2009, 10:29 AM   #37
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So are these players saying that they can't play hard unless they know that Jim Zorn will be around for the rest of the season? Here's an idea: Why don't the players play hard and blow out KC instead of asking management to do something that management won't do at this time, namely, endorse Jim Zorn. Blowing out KC would do far more for Jim Zorn's future as the Redskins HC than any words of support could ever do.

This is a team that hasn't played hard for their HC since the opening game of the season. If they truly care about him then why won't they play hard for him?

There are some real good talkers on this team. Players talk about the owner, the FO, the other players. Then, when they're on the field and it's time to reach down and summon the extra effort needed to win, they don't do it.

I say to the Redskins players, if you really want to keep Jim Zorn as your coach, then come out with a purpose on Sunday and blow out the KC Chiefs.
110% agree. Lets see. Zorn gets hired and some fans are happy cause it's not the splashy move Snyder usually makes(even though no one would take the job). Zorn's first 8 games look like we found a diamond in the rough. Everyone is happy, talking about how Zorn is the second coming of Gibbs. Then the last 8 game look horrible. Some are ready to fire him, most understand it was injuries that held us back. So in essance....the players for the most part are the same players who were here for the first 8 games which means they could be a winning team. However for whatever reason they are not.

Play call sucks, players not exicuting, and now some vital injuries, but the fans can't control these issues, the media can't control these issues, and DS can't control these issue right now. Basically, the players are asking DS to endorse Zorn with bad coaching, bad play calling, and bad player performance? I just don't see that happening or the reasoning behind it.

If the players want Zorn to remain then they can stop screwing up on the field and exicute his plays correctly, which will help Zorn call better plays he knows they will exicute perfectly, which should result in more scores and games won, but don't ask management to endorse something you players are not endorsing on the field.

As for me....just winning the KC game is not enough at this point. I want to see them come out and win games againt the Eagles, Saints, Dallas. Oh they can squeek by all they want so long as it's done with over 21 points or more. That would atleast show they know how and can actually score. Right now they can't get into the end zone to save their life.
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Old 10-16-2009, 11:02 AM   #38
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Re: Should Snyder listen to his players?

Correct me if I am wrong, but prior last week it seemed like most the blame fingers were pointed at the players and Zorn. There seemed to be less blame given to the FO, until last week. I am not trying to absolve anyone or try to lay more blame on any given group, I am just saying the players may have spoken up to try and even out the blame.
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Old 10-16-2009, 11:08 AM   #39
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I think thats been their downfall all year Hog. Unite and play with purpose. Everyone get on the same page. If you want to save his job...save it. Don't just talk about it.
I agree. If they want Zorn to stay on as their coach dont talk about winning, do it. If they win everything will work out just fine. The problem is these players appear to be much better at talking about what they need to do than actually doing it.
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Old 10-16-2009, 11:29 AM   #40
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No sir! A owner should never listen to his players, except in things that don't envolve the game. If Rocky McIntosh wants to do some kind of "feed the children" program, that's something else. The owner should go to the GM, see what's going on, and trust his assessment of the situation. If the players are going to fraternize with the ownership, then there's no use in having a GM or a coaching staff. That's one of the big problems with this organization to begin with.
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Old 10-16-2009, 11:44 AM   #41
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That was a good read. It sickens me to think of the success we've been missing out on over the last decade. If we could only match up a solid GM with Snyder's willingness to spend and desire to win....

It's pretty amazing that someone who supposedly wants to win more than anything just can't get out of his own way.
Sometimes it takes a team or business to almost fall apart before the boss or owner can see how flawed their thinking really is.
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Old 10-16-2009, 11:52 AM   #42
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No sir! A owner should never listen to his players, except in things that don't envolve the game. If Rocky McIntosh wants to do some kind of "feed the children" program, that's something else. The owner should go to the GM, see what's going on, and trust his assessment of the situation. If the players are going to fraternize with the ownership, then there's no use in having a GM or a coaching staff. That's one of the big problems with this organization to begin with.
yup, simple chain of command. This is one thing DS can really be faulted for; playing chess w/Lavar, hangin w/Portis. I even remember a reporter saying that after a game Bruce Smith went to the danny in the locker room to complain about his lack of playing time.
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Old 10-16-2009, 11:54 AM   #43
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Correct me if I am wrong, but prior last week it seemed like most the blame fingers were pointed at the players and Zorn. There seemed to be less blame given to the FO, until last week. I am not trying to absolve anyone or try to lay more blame on any given group, I am just saying the players may have spoken up to try and even out the blame.
Blame the FO for what? For hiring a bad coach and selecting poor players?

By saying that the owner and the FO have failed, these players are, in effect, adding to the blame being heaped on the coach and players. Do you get my point?

Now, I assume that Rogers and Hall think they're two of the good players - not like those other guys, their teammates. Well, what did they do when they had the opportunity to make huge plays for this team? They failed to do so is the correct answer.

Carlos "Hands of Stone" Rogers has had several opportunities to make huge interceptions this season but he didn't. What would it have meant to the team if Rogers had caught the Manning pass that hit him in the hands on the Redskins first defensive series of this season?

And don't forget all of his drops during the previous season. Why didn't that motivate him to improve his ball skills? I wonder how many passes he caught during the off-season, if any? People who live in glass houses...

Then there's Hall who has made some big plays but failed to stay at home on a naked bootleg or tackle a slow QB short of the first down on a play that could have clinched the game at Carolina. Hall looked like a mom trying to keep her toddler off the escalator at the mall. Delhomme won that battle (not that Hall put up much of a fight) because he wanted it more than Hall wanted it. If you don't think that was a soft play, just try to imagine what Sean Taylor would have done to Delhomme in that situation. People who live in glass houses...

How do you think their comments went over with their teammates? I think not well.

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Old 10-16-2009, 12:06 PM   #44
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yup, simple chain of command. This is one thing DS can really be faulted for; playing chess w/Lavar, hangin w/Portis. I even remember a reporter saying that after a game Bruce Smith went to the danny in the locker room to complain about his lack of playing time.
Bruce Smith did worse than go to Dan Snyder, he (and Fred Drasner) used to go to Snyder's father and had Snyder's father berate Dan Snyder for not seeing to it that Smith got more playing time
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Old 10-16-2009, 12:28 PM   #45
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I agree. If they want Zorn to stay on as their coach dont talk about winning, do it. If they win everything will work out just fine. The problem is these players appear to be much better at talking about what they need to do than actually doing it.
I have embraced your same thought process for some time now. It gradually becomes unbearable to hear basically the same players week-in and week-out come on post game interviews saying we're not doing this, not doing that but never correct what it is they're not doing.

I've come to the conclusion maybe too much was expected from a team we've all admitted from time to time was deficient in areas neccessary to bring about the desired result. We've been forced to rely on back-up players with both limited experience as well as abilities to play vital positions of what needs to be strength if you expect to be successful. Back-up players in football are equvalent to relief pitchers in baseball, they only have so many plays in them, savor a difference and they would be starters. It's just not reasonable to think there won't be considerable drop-off when having to resort to back-up players.

Should Snyder listen to his players? For me there are many ways to look at that question without coming up with what I would consider a definative answer. I think one should always listen, it's just a matter of how much credence he should gives to what he's listening too.
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