Will Dan Snyder finally fire Vinny Cerrato

[djnemo65]

What an unusual state the team is in, with the fanbase begging for a rebuilding project and wondering if the owner will oblige? It's usually the otherway around, with the fans not wanting to start over and the owner not wanting to continue to pay big money for an aging team. Given public sentiment, Snyder finds himself in the enviable position of being able to have his cake and eat it. He can cut older players, abstain from free agent signings, and focus on building through the draft while, amazingly, pleasing pretty much everybody! The city would be positively thrilled with a few losing seasons, providing it is young hungry players doing the losing. If he is half the business man we all think he is he will seize this opportunity.

[The Goat]

Doesn't Snyder go through FO people like toilet paper, with the exception of Vinny's constant presence? I think that reveals heavy-handed involvement by the owner, and it should make it very difficult for him to turn things around. I keep asking the question and ownership apologists don't really have an answer: why would anyone real smart, real good at their job come work for Snyder? Other than his ongoing relationship w/ Gibbs it seems almost universally Snyder burns bridges with the folks who pass through his franchise. And for how many people has working for Snyder's Redskins been a good career move? Is there anyone who can say that?

...my guess is Snyder will always have interest in big names, big personalities, basically anyone or anything that boosts sales. We hear about him trying to catch the big fish all the time. I would also guess those guys are too smart to ever work for Snyder. In fact I'll be suspicious of anyone who takes a job under him cuz it just seems like a dumb thing to do (unless all you care about is the money baby!).

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Doesn't Snyder go through FO people like toilet paper, with the exception of Vinny's constant presence? I think that reveals heavy-handed involvement by the owner, and it should make it very difficult for him to turn things around. I keep asking the question and ownership apologists don't really have an answer: why would anyone real smart, real good at their job come work for Snyder? Other than his ongoing relationship w/ Gibbs it seems almost universally Snyder burns bridges with the folks who pass through his franchise. And for how many people has working for Snyder's Redskins been a good career move? Is there anyone who can say that?

...my guess is Snyder will always have interest in big names, big personalities, basically anyone or anything that boosts sales. We hear about him trying to catch the big fish all the time. I would also guess those guys are too smart to ever work for Snyder. In fact I'll be suspicious of anyone who takes a job under him cuz it just seems like a dumb thing to do (unless all you care about is the money baby!).

Can you list some examples?

I don't know but you might want to ask the likes of Scott Campbell, Eric Shaffer, and Morocco Brown. It's not like the cupboard is totally bare when it comes to the front office. There's some quality guys there.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Can you list some examples?

I don't know but you might want to ask the likes of Scott Campbell, Eric Shaffer, and Morocco Brown. It's not like the cupboard is totally bare when it comes to the front office. There's some quality guys there.

Not sure how long those blokes have been at the franchise but the longer the better I guess?

I watched that clip in the "When the Madness Began" thread from 2000 (before I started paying close attention to the Skins year around and especially the FO workings). Doesn't it say Snyder fired a bunch of FO people right away and there was bad blood immediately? Not sure what's happened within the FO ever since other than I remember hearing about sporadic firings. On to the coaches I mean jeez is there a good story there outside Gibbs?

But I guess it's more the big picture looking forward. Why, other than money, would a real smart football guy (manager or coach) looking to win come work for Snyder? Some of us think Snyder had the best d coordinator in football on the payroll just two years ago...and a guy who was respected by more or less the whole roster. Snyder and Vinny kicked Williams to the curb and then we heard BS reports out of Redskin park Williams had disrespected Gibbs. Believable? Really? C'mon gimme a break Snyder just took the low road and started an ugly rumor, probably because he lacks the maturity and humility to just part ways w/o somehow getting in the last shot So again, why would anybody want to work for that when there are pretty nice opportunities throughout the NFL every year?

[JLee9718]

We're probably looking at a 3-13 season. At the beginning, I predicted we would finish at least 12-4. For all the Redskins fans that love Joe Gibbs, he had a big hand in getting us the personnel we have on the roster. I love Joe Gibbs and what he brought to us in 1980 through 1991, but Gibbs needs a Bobby Beathard or a Charley Casserly to get him players. He didn't do too well when he traded draft choices for guys that didn't fit in with the Redskins.

[celts32]

I think he will fire or reassign Vinny...not becasue he sees the error of his ways but because he sees the outcry and is in the business of selling season tickets.

As I stand over the rubble of the team i have loved my whole life I believe more then ever that Dan Snyder is not a huge Redskins fan like he is portrayed. A Redskins fan would want to win at all costs. Snyder only wants to win his way with his guy in charge. Winning is not enough for him...he needs to win and feed his ego at the same time. There is no way a true Redskins fan would do this.

[redsk1]

I think Vinny is gone. There's just too much pressure on DS.

You know on a side note. Why wouldn't Vinny just come out and say that he made a mistake or took a gamble on our line staying healthy this season? He could say that he felft like the 3 2nd rounders in 2008 had tremendous upside and Orakpo was rated so high he couldn't not take him. He puts his foot in his mouth time after time and he's embarrassing himself and the team. There's a way to take blaim and there's a way to defer blaim. He deferred it.

[SkinFanatic]

Originally Posted by redsk1

I think Vinny is gone. There's just too much pressure on DS.

You know on a side note. Why wouldn't Vinny just come out and say that he made a mistake or took a gamble on our line staying healthy this season? He could say that he felft like the 3 2nd rounders in 2008 had tremendous upside and Orakpo was rated so high he couldn't not take him. He puts his foot in his mouth time after time and he's embarrassing himself and the team. There's a way to take blaim and there's a way to defer blaim. He deferred it.

Vinny is a patsy. He demonstrates no sense of reason or accountability.

[Longtimefan]

Every time this subject comes up, I'm forever reminded of Snyder's response when asked about the front office structure and his feelings relevant to it's compentency. His reply was "If it ain"t broke, don't fix it".

Therefore, when the question of if/will/when Snyder fire Cerrato arises, the answer to that question will depend on whether anyone can successfully convince him of the fact his system is broken. We've been waiting ten yrs. for him to come to that conclusion but have been met only by resistance. So in essence I would have to say the answer to the question lies in whether there's anyone out there with persuasive powers strong enough to convince him of the fact change is absolutely neccessary. If atempts to accomplish this continue to be met with resistance, we can only expect MOS.

[Chico23231]

I think there is no way Vinny comes back after this year. If he does, boy, I mean Snyder must really have his head way up his a$$. There is no justifiable reasons of why. I expect new GM and new coaches all the way around. Jerry Grey and Danny Smith are the only two I see who could see hanging around.

[SouperMeister]

Vinny is a weasel, and he can't be shown the door soon enough. It's laughable that he publicly stated that Zorn has a playoff caliber roster. The O-line was a disaster waiting to happen, no matter how Vinny and Danny try to spin this situation.

[SkinFanatic]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Vinny is a weasel, and he can't be shown the door soon enough. It's laughable that he publicly stated that Zorn has a playoff caliber roster. The O-line was a disaster waiting to happen, no matter how Vinny and Danny try to spin this situation.

I really feel like the writing is on the wall for Vinny, but what I'd like to see is for him to be booted NOW. It's going to take alot of convincing to get a decent GM to take this job and I'd like to see him in place before the end of the season if possible.

[12thMan]

I wonder if we polled how people would feel if Vinny is reassigned as opposed to fired, what the results would be?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I wonder if we polled how people would feel if Vinny is reassigned as opposed to fired, what the results would be?

To something not involved in personnel I don't care what the hell he is.. anything part of personnel and I'll go crazy

[skinsfan_nn]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I wonder if we polled how people would feel if Vinny is reassigned as opposed to fired, what the results would be?

Its a fair question. My thinking is if he isn't doing the job he was hired to do, good enough to keep it.

Why waste the time with the headache of a people shuffle, just moving the problem. If Dan is to make this move of reassignment (Which I don't expect, your VP OR your gone) I don't see this boding well with the people/fan base, or the potential new VP/GM. Just to be clear I see Vinny being FIRED and completely gone from the Redskins organization.