Election Day Comments

[12thMan]

It's worth noting that we won two seats last night. One in Cali and the one in NY-23. The Dems also plucked the mayoral race in Charlotte, N.C. last night.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by joethiesmanfan

Smaller government means what? Defund schools, hospitals, and museums. Then spend all the surplus money on millitary contractors and police. Seems liek the same ole bigger government aka wealth redistribution to me. Instead of building the social infrastructure we send billions to millitary contractors. Find me a real contrast. Both Democrats and Republicans are socilaists, learned that from tramp (trample the elderly). both want huge deficits and bigger govermnment i.e. Ronald Reagan.

Yes, you are right. Smaller Federal government means getting rid of the Department of Education. Seeing how they're doing such a wonderful job now, I'm all for it. I don't see why it's the tax payer's responsibility to fund "Art"?

I'm not too sure about government run hospitals. I wouldn't say VA hospitals have a great reputation from all of the news lately, but I think this has been corrected for the most part. Some are the best in the world from what I've heard.

Yes, both parties are militaristic. Both parties use our military to advance the agenda of Corporate America.

I would disagree on the local level. Many local politicians disavow themselves from their national party, yet reap the rewards or penalties of having a D or an R next to their name. They have to get results.

On the Federal level they're nothing but pigs at a trough. You don't hear the left screaming about the war now that Jorge Bush is out of office. That's because they're getting that contractor money now. Most of them don't give a shit about American soldiers.

I didn't like Tim Kaine as my governor nor did I like Mark Warner. Both though were alright at their jobs. Tim Kaine is very different as the governor than he is as the head of the DNC. He cuts and dodges the liberal agenda when he speaks to us. He knows he'd piss off the public and ruin the chances for the next D.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Your liberal agenda has again clouded your vision.

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No president has won like this in recent history.

He did raise taxes out of necessity and spent a shit load on his war toys without actually paying for them...that's really hard core conservative agenda without the fiscal restraint and limited government part. You're not walking, you're crawling. You should know better, being on your knees is conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by saden1

He did raise taxes out of necessity and spent a shit load on his war toys without actually paying for them...that's really hard core conservative agenda without the fiscal restraint and limited government part. You're not walking, you're crawling. You should know better, being on your knees is conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman.

What you said was, "that no one could run and win on Conservative principles". You are wrong. Someone did, and won by landslides. Congress controls spending. Reagan's Congress was Democratic. Clinton didn't get to put in his commie agenda. His Congress was Republican.

Name some expensive toys Congress didn't pay for. The last time I checked the Missouri was taken out of moth balls. SDI was never implemented? At the time the US and the USSR were reducing their nuclear stock piles?

You're a real piece of work Saden. You liberals sure are a hateful breed.

[firstdown]

[quote=Trample the Elderly;620489]What you said was, "that no one could run and win on Conservative principles". You are wrong. Someone did, and won by landslides. Congress controls spending. Reagan's Congress was Democratic. Clinton didn't get to put in his commie agenda. His Congress was Republican.

Name some expensive toys Congress didn't pay for. The last time I checked the Missouri was taken out of moth balls. SDI was never implemented? At the time the US and the USSR were reducing their nuclear stock piles?

You're a real piece of work Saden. You liberals sure are a hateful breed.[/quote]
Thats because you want to defund their crappy art that no one will buy so they force the goverment to support the crap.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

What you said was, "that no one could run and win on Conservative principles". You are wrong. Someone did, and won by landslides. Congress controls spending. Reagan's Congress was Democratic. Clinton didn't get to put in his commie agenda. His Congress was Republican.

Name some expensive toys Congress didn't pay for. The last time I checked the Missouri was taken out of moth balls. SDI was never implemented? At the time the US and the USSR were reducing their nuclear stock piles?

You're a real piece of work Saden. You liberals sure are a hateful breed.

Why do conservatives constantly hearken back to the Reagan era to prove their point about the enduring quality of conservative principles. Reagan was for his time. Lincoln was for his time. So forth and so on. Today we live in a completely different climate. Demographically the country has evolved and continues to do so. The globe has changed for that matter. Politics are more interconnected and simply require more compromise on some key issues. I guess what I'm saying is the world isn't as black and white as it was, say, twenty or thirty years ago.

My main issue if with Republicans, and some liberals for that matter, they tend to view the world in terms of absolutes. They don't debate shades of grey, only black and white.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Why do conservatives constantly hearken back to the Reagan era to prove their point about the enduring quality of conservative principles. Reagan was for his time. Lincoln was for his time. So forth and so on. Today we live in a completely different climate. Demographically the country has evolved and continues to do so. The globe has changed for that matter. Politics are more interconnected and simply require more compromise on some key issues. I guess what I'm saying is the world isn't as black and white as it was, say, twenty or thirty years ago.

My main issue if with Republicans, and some liberals for that matter, they tend to view the world in terms of absolutes. They don't debate shades of grey, only black and white.

Never hear me bring up RR and if you mix black and white you get gray.

[12thMan]

And let me say that Reagan's magic wasn't his policies. It was his ability to listen to the other side. He didn't give conservatism a bad name. He was a respectful man and honored the office. Sure he made some missteps, but every president does.

Where do you think Blue Dog Dems originated from? It was Reagan. Yet today they identify with and caucus with Democrats. Modern day Republicans and conservatives found no room for them in the party.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Never hear me bring up RR and if you mix black and white you get gray.

Well maybe you don't, but everytime I listen to Sean Hannity, Beck, ummm Limbaugh and some here even, they constantly bring up Reagan.

The key word in your response is "mix".

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

What you said was, "that no one could run and win on Conservative principles". You are wrong. Someone did, and won by landslides. Congress controls spending. Reagan's Congress was Democratic. Clinton didn't get to put in his commie agenda. His Congress was Republican.

Name some expensive toys Congress didn't pay for. The last time I checked the Missouri was taken out of moth balls. SDI was never implemented? At the time the US and the USSR were reducing their nuclear stock piles?

You're a real piece of work Saden. You liberals sure are a hateful breed.

What I said was no one will run and win on a hardcore conservatives platform this day an age... you know, kick the illegals all out of the country sort of principles, go back to the gold standards stupidity, get rid social programs, etc, etc. I was skeptical of your reading skills, now I'm even more skeptical of you comprehension skills.

Freeze, the jig is up, put your hands up buster or I'll shoot!

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

And let me say that Reagan's magic wasn't his policies. It was his ability to listen to the other side. He didn't give conservatism a bad name. He was a respectful man and honored the office. Sure he made some missteps, but every president does.

Where do you think Blue Dog Dems originated from? It was Reagan. Yet today they identify with and caucus with Democrats. Modern day Republicans and conservatives found no room for them in the party.

Reagan was a lot smarter than the buffoons wielding his name for conservative street cred today. Very smart politician.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

What I said was no one will run and win on a hardcore conservatives platform this day an age... you know, kick the illegals all out of the country sort of principles, go back to the gold standards stupidity, get rid social programs, etc, etc. I was skeptical of your reading skills, now I'm even more skeptical of you comprehension skills.

Freeze, the jig is up, put your hands up buster or I'll shoot!

Well you use hardcore which I'm not and I would agree they could not win an election in 99% of the US. I see you throw out the word stupidity when you talk about conservative ideas but isn't throwing billions and billions of dollars into failing social programs the ulitmate in stupid?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Why do conservatives constantly hearken back to the Reagan era to prove their point about the enduring quality of conservative principles. Reagan was for his time. Lincoln was for his time. So forth and so on. Today we live in a completely different climate. Demographically the country has evolved and continues to do so. The globe has changed for that matter. Politics are more interconnected and simply require more compromise on some key issues. I guess what I'm saying is the world isn't as black and white as it was, say, twenty or thirty years ago.

My main issue if with Republicans, and some liberals for that matter, they tend to view the world in terms of absolutes. They don't debate shades of grey, only black and white.

The same reason that Redskins fans look back to the glory days or RFK, JKC, and Joe Gibbs (1.0). It was a great time compared to the BS we have now.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

The same reason that Redskins fans look back to the glory days or RFK, JKC, and Joe Gibbs 1.0, it was a great time compared to the BS we have now.

Good Point........

[wolfeskins]

i think the results from yesterdays elections in va. and nj were a small way of telling obama that people are not very happy with his presidency thus far. obama campained pretty hard for deeds, here in va.