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05-21-2010, 12:02 PM | #31 |
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Not saying that. Just saying that before the majors were integrated there was a Negro league , there were black hotel chains, etc. So to say a black person couldn't get a hotel on I-95 is a stretch to say the least. (That is no way to run a country though) is waht I said as my point after that.
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05-21-2010, 12:05 PM | #32 |
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Ok, got it
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05-21-2010, 12:17 PM | #33 | |
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Justice Clark wrote that in researching Congress' debate over the Civil Rights Act of 1964 the evidence was clear the difficulties black Americans encountered in their attempts to find accommodations "had the effect of discouraging travel on the part of a substantial [large] portion of the Negro community." The evidence was "overwhelming . . . that discrimination by hotels and motels impedes [interferes with] interstate travel" and, therefore, obstructs interstate commerce. Heart of Atlanta Motel v. United States: Supreme Court Drama It appears the case is from Georgia going by the hotels name of "heart of atlanta" but I could have sworn and still do believe it was a florida state case. This link isnt the SC opinion but a synopsis. If anyone is interested in learning alil about the long stretching and evolving powers of the interstate commerce clause and how it effects state rights vs federal powers, this case synopsis provides a quick, to the point summary which is a helpful and proper starting point for such discussions. if you ever wondered how the fed gov't can enforce it's will and sense of fairness upon individual states, this is the tool they use.
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05-21-2010, 12:23 PM | #34 | |
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Let's be realistic. From what I have been taught, and hotels were a major issue. That one of the things lost by the black community to desegeration was black owned nationwide hotel chains. They went out of business after desegregation. Plus, if you pay attention to I-95 it goes up and down the coasts of NC, SC, and Florida. There are plenty of predominantly black areas up and down this highway. Will come with a link after lunch.
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05-21-2010, 12:36 PM | #35 |
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knock yourself out, i wasnt around in the '60s so I can only go by what i read. i really dont care either way, i was just passing along and interfusing this discussion with alil relevant law. i was not trying to revisit or reargue the law or SC opinions or findings.
kinda hard to argue with the facts the SC relied upon in reaching a unanimous opinion which has stood for over 40 years. before you spend time fashioning a rebuttal, i suggest you read the actual court opinion. how can you argue with a SC opinion if you havent read that opinion yet? seems like you have a real interest in this kinda thing, i find it interesting too, so i think you will enjoy and learn some things as well.
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05-21-2010, 12:37 PM | #36 | |
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Where are Atlanta's Black-Owned Hotels?
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just information. Not sure what specific type links you were talking about jtf, but these seemed interesting to me. |
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05-21-2010, 01:06 PM | #37 | |
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Rand Paul On Civil Rights Controversy: I Shouldn't Have Talked To Rachel Maddow [UPDATED] Paul's statement from the link: "I believe we should work to end all racism in American society and staunchly defend the inherent rights of every person. I have clearly stated in prior interviews that I abhor racial discrimination and would have worked to end segregation. Even though this matter was settled when I was 2, and no serious people are seeking to revisit it except to score cheap political points, I unequivocally state that I will not support any efforts to repeal the Civil Rights Act of 1964."The dude is no racist.
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05-21-2010, 01:10 PM | #38 |
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05-21-2010, 01:11 PM | #39 |
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We off topic sorry bout that.
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But let's really cut to the chase where all of this is headed. Conservatives would like to paint this as some witch hunt by the "looney left" to bring down Rand Paul and portray him as a racist. For the record, I don't think he would stand a bat's chance in hell of winning a national election and I don't believe he's a racist. But his libertarian views, I feel, would open the door to racial tension and undo much of the progress we've made over the past several decades. So on one hand no one is really trying to infer, at least I'm not, that Rand Paul is racist but on the other the unintended consequences of some of his views could very well lead us down that road. And that's just dangerous and irresponsible if you ask me. For the first time since the berth of the Tea Party movement, we now have a national candidate and a voice that we can reasonably assume espouse their views and sentiments. During his victory speech, he openly declared himself as the voice of the Tea Party (paraphrased). So from here on out, as the anointed spokesman for the Tea Party, we can look no further than Rand Paul to see what it is they believe. When they say things like "take my country back", how does that look in terms of actual policy? That's the big question Rand Paul and the Tea Party will have to answer in the coming days. Last edited by 12thMan; 05-21-2010 at 02:55 PM. |
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05-21-2010, 02:25 PM | #42 |
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Would anyone here deny that the KKK or Fred Phelps the has the right to free speech? How about the right to peacably assemble? Most (I assume) would agree that disgusting and repugnant as they are -- yes, they do have those rights.
Now, how about their property rights? Do they enjoy those as well? That might be a little tougher for leftists; they tend to have their doubts about property rights in general. Property rights are no different whether you're talking about someone's home or a privately owned business. Now, would Goldwater or Ron or Rand Paul like to see businesses openly discriminating on the basis of color, national origin or religion? Absolutely not. But should a business be banned from putting a sign out saying 'minorities will not be served here'? That's no different from Fred Phelps who stands outside of funerals of fallen soldiers with the anti-homosexual banners. At that point you get into free speech issues. It's a tough question for those who don't mind a little serious, introspective thinking. For those who lack the intellectual firepower to ponder something like that -- and you know who you are -- don't bother, you're sure to fry some brain circuitry. That's all Goldwater and Paul's opposition to the Civil Rights act was -- a principled, though politically incorrect and unpopular stance on their devotion to the idea of individual rights -- even for the rights of those we find abhorrent. |
05-21-2010, 02:30 PM | #43 | |
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05-21-2010, 02:40 PM | #44 |
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"Property rights are no different whether you're talking about someone's home or a privately owned business"
you can discriminate on your own dime on your own time. when you open a business that, in any way, effects interstate commerce (hotels for interstate travelers, a small portion of your corn crop is sold for profit), your business is subject to the Fed gov't regulations through the interstate commerce clause. Can you wear a tshirt saying KKK? yes, thats protected speech. can you wear a tshirt with a dick on it? no, that is offensive speech with no _____ value. i forget for the moment what "value" speech must have. can you not allow cowboy fans into your home? yes can you allow everyone into your "open to public" bar except for cowboy fans? no can a private golf course not allow women to join the club? yes (even though i dont know how the ICC doesnt apply since it applies to everything the feds want it to. How come they dont make the argument that Augusta National has members who are residents from other states outside of Georgia so technically out of state money is passing into Georgia = interstate commerce = you cant discriminate. Im guessing its b/c they are a private club and not open to the public, which means everyone is excluded and not just singling out one race but in practice they are violating the theory)
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