Why Santana Moss gets a free pass...

[KLHJ2]

I just want to reiterate that I do believe that Moss deserves a suspension if it is handed down. I'm just saying that I do not believe that it was his intent to cheat.

[joethiesmanfan]

No Marlboro Man for the Cowboys season opener is my fear.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Angry

I just want to reiterate that I do believe that Moss deserves a suspension if it is handed down. I'm just saying that I do not believe that it was his intent to cheat.

But the result is cheating. It has been clinically proven the use of HGH alone with no other additive does provide a 4% increase in running speed. Now if someone is going to say well if you inject this way or that way or snort it....
There has to be a line drawn somewhere. It is illegal to use it and no way to test for it or control the use. It needs to stay illegal.

[sandtrapjack]

Looking back at all sports, not just football, you'll see that on most occasions, these "illegal performance enhancing" substances were used to expedite healing from an injury. But none-the-less, it is still an illegal drug obtained illegally. No matter what the intended use.

But I cannot endorse any suspension by the league without evidence.

Has Moss failed any league mandated drug tests? Do they have any evidence they he actually received these treatments?

Players who ARE suspended for performance enhancing drugs, like Brian Cushing and Shawne Merriman, were all implicated by POSITIVE drug testing and by league testing rules and procedures already in place.

As far as I know, all they have on Moss is an afadavit. In other words, this guy said he did, but other than that, there is no physical eveidence this ever took place.

So until the league endorses using "word of mouth" as fool proof eveidence of illegal activity, LEAVE MOSS ALONE AND LET THE MAN PLAY FOOTBALL!

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

But the result is cheating. It has been clinically proven the use of HGH alone with no other additive does provide a 4% increase in running speed. Now if someone is going to say well if you inject this way or that way or snort it....
There has to be a line drawn somewhere. It is illegal to use it and no way to test for it or control the use. It needs to stay illegal.

Let me rephrase, I do not believe that he knew that he was being injected with HGH. Regardless he should still be punished because he is responsible for what goes into his body.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Looking back at all sports, not just football, you'll see that on most occasions, these "illegal performance enhancing" substances were used to expedite healing from an injury. But none-the-less, it is still an illegal drug obtained illegally. No matter what the intended use.

But I cannot endorse any suspension by the league without evidence.

Has Moss failed any league mandated drug tests? Do they have any evidence they he actually received these treatments?

Players who ARE suspended for performance enhancing drugs, like Brian Cushing and Shawne Merriman, were all implicated by POSITIVE drug testing and by league testing rules and procedures already in place.

As far as I know, all they have on Moss is an afadavit. In other words, this guy said he did, but other than that, there is no physical eveidence this ever took place.

So until the league endorses using "word of mouth" as fool proof eveidence of illegal activity, LEAVE MOSS ALONE AND LET THE MAN PLAY FOOTBALL!

I understand your point and it is a legitimate point. But as Ben Roethlisburger is finding out the hard way (LOL!) you do not have to be convicted or have proof positive. It is the illegal or behavior that can get you in trouble. Plus, correct me if I am wrong, but there currently is no test for certain substances that are on the banned list. So....

[Daseal]

Sandtrap, I agree. I hate that the NFL can suspend people for 'giving the shield a bad name.' While I don't necessarily need a conviction in a court of law, I do need to see significant evidence before suspending anyone. That goes for everyone, past and present, that has been suspended.

That being said, as far as not knowing about HGH or it 'just helping him heal'. HGH is on the banned substances list for a reason. To say he didn't know is a tough pill to swallow. Everyone knows what this Dr. does. If he was really getting blood spinning done, tons of places that are well known and reputable can do blood spinning. This Dr. is a known provider of HGH and I think Moss took it.

We'll wait to see what comes out before I make a determination one way or another, but I think letting him completely off the hook isn't the right way to go. Would you have that same stance if this was Roy Williams from the Cowboys? Steve Smith from the Giants? DeShawn Jackson of the Eagles? I doubt it, you'd want a 4 game suspension, as long as sufficient evidence can be presented.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

As of about 12:30 PM, the other name being tossed out there is Tom Brady.....

Ha, I'll give up Santana for a month to see the pretty boy finally get nailed for something.

[skinsfan69]

I really don't care if the guy injected it. How many guys in the NFL are taking HGH? Probably a lot of them cause they don't test for it. So does it really matter? All this does is gives the media and the fans something to talk about.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Angry

Let me rephrase, I do not believe that he knew that he was being injected with HGH.

Ok,then why have a Doctor or his assistant fly in from Canada to give you a shot ?

[redskins121684]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Ok,then why have a Doctor or his assistant fly in from Canada to give you a shot ?

He paid for treatment, he flew the doctor in along with the assistant to receive a treatment for an injury. The treatment included HGH therapy in addition to PRP therapy and administration of a drug called activegan, whether or not he was aware of the fact that HGH was part of the regiment he was receiving remains to be seen, but some of the reports that have come out have said this Dr also had mislabeled drugs in his possession so he could have been trying to mislead patients.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Ok,then why have a Doctor or his assistant fly in from Canada to give you a shot ?

HGH isn't the only thing that treatment physicians do

that's like asking why does a Saudi Prince come to America for appendicitis

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by redskins121684

He paid for treatment, he flew the doctor in along with the assistant to receive a treatment for an injury. The treatment included HGH therapy in addition to PRP therapy and administration of a drug called activegan, whether or not he was aware of the fact that HGH was part of the regiment he was receiving remains to be seen, but some of the reports that have come out have said this Dr also had mislabeled drugs in his possession so he could have been trying to mislead patients.

there are plenty of these types of docs that do their own personal research.. some of it documented/legal.. some of it not so much

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by redskins121684

He paid for treatment, he flew the doctor in along with the assistant to receive a treatment for an injury. The treatment included HGH therapy in addition to PRP therapy and administration of a drug called activegan, whether or not he was aware of the fact that HGH was part of the regiment he was receiving remains to be seen, but some of the reports that have come out have said this Dr also had mislabeled drugs in his possession so he could have been trying to mislead patients.

Doubt it. More like the Doctor mislabeled drugs in order to mislead immigration authorities when he was clearing customs; so he would not get busted for transporting it into the USA.
I find it a stretch to think Moss was mislead. For a guy that gets paid millions to play football and the rules are very clear.
It is sole the responsibility of each player to not allow unknown or unlabeled drugs into their systems. That is a really LAME excuse. If that is his excuse he deserves to be suspended and labeled an idiot.

[GusFrerotte]

HGH isn't a big deal. You can get L Arginine at any health or vitamin store and it basically gets your body to release HGH naturally. I mean do you really think these guys get to be over 6'5" and over 300 lbs naturally?