The Parking Lot...where scooters should stay.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

fair enough, but you are speculating that all the traffic around driver was already at the speed limit and that the driver was exceeding it. I am suggesting that isn't what the video shows. As long as the driver was at or near the speed limit, scooter guy has no right to enter the lane until he can do so safely and without disrupting the flow of traffic. He didn't do either.

Quite frankly, I don't think the video gives any evidence of reckless driving by the car's driver. He was cut off, he braked as soon as he was presented by the disturbance in his lane and came to a stop quickly.

not once did I say that they were at the speed limit or not continuing to accelerate, I only said that their approach was exceeding the speed of the surrounding vehicles

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

not once did I say that they were at the speed limit or not continuing to accelerate, I only said that their approach was exceeding the speed of the surrounding vehicles

Well, if he wasn't exceeding the speed limit, and was, while staying in his lane, simply accelerating to the limit faster than those in other lanes, he clearly was not "reckless". Not like he was racing or swerving through traffic. If he was not to the speed limit, he had a clear path to accelerate, was free to do so AND scooter guy should have anticipated that.

[tryfuhl]

I think that the car did mostly what it could've done given the circumstances. I think that they also contributed to the circumstances however.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I think that the car did mostly what it could've done given the circumstances. I think that they also contributed to the circumstances however.

How? By accelerating in an open lane of traffic? It's not like they were still in the accident zone - they were clearly past it. You can feel however you want about it, but I just don't see any facts that back up your opinion.

You conceed that:
Driver was not exceeding speed limit;
Driver began braking as soon as he was presented by the scooter guys move;
Scooter guy braked after switching lanes;
Driver did all he could do to avoid the accident.

What facts support the position that the driver contrib'd? The only thing you've said is that he was travelling faster than traffic around him which, in an open lane of traffic, he is free to do especially when he is not exceeding the speed limit.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

How? By accelerating in an open lane of traffic? It's not like they were still in the accident zone - they were clearly past it. You can feel however you want about it, but I just don't see any facts that back up your opinion.

You conceed that:
Driver was not exceeding speed limit;
Driver began braking as soon as he was presented by the scooter guys move;
Scooter guy braked after switching lanes;
Driver did all he could do to avoid the accident.

What facts support the position that the driver contrib'd? The only thing you've said is that he was travelling faster than traffic around him which, in an open lane of traffic, he is free to do especially when he is not exceeding the speed limit.

I did not concede* that the driver was not exceeding the speed limit. Lot of words you're putting in there for me.

Ultimately when it comes down to 1 vs 2 (2 being the scooter) it would get written as 2's fault.

Again, we're still assuming that the speed limit was being followed. You can be cited for accelerating/endangerment, etc without exceeding the speed limit.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Driver began braking as soon as he was presented by the scooter guys move;

Scooter guy braked after switching lanes;

Driver did all he could do to avoid the accident.

What facts support the position that the driver contrib'd? The only thing you've said is that he was travelling faster than traffic around him which, in an open lane of traffic, he is free to do especially when he is not exceeding the speed limit.

IMO the driver began braking when he realized that the scooter had established himself in the drivers lane. also did the driver slam on the brakes (do everyhting he could to avoid a collision) or did he ease up on the brakes just enough to slow down but still be right up on the scooters ass?

you just conceeded that the scooter guy was in the lane, if he is established in the lane then the car driver behind him must keep a reasonable and safe amount of distance in front of him to avoid striking other vehicles that may brake. the person doing the rear ending are presumed to be at fault b/c you should be keeping a safe distance and look-out for suddenly stopping vehicles in front of you.

this looks like what you see on the roadway all the time minus the collision.

a car has a clear lane ahead of him, driver sees another vehcile attempting to enter into his lane and also enjoy the clear lane, driver doesnt want to concede any ground or have anyone cut in front of him so he tries to close the window and not allow the other driver in. if the other driver does slip thru the window then the driver stays on his ass to prove a point of "hey you almost kinda cut me off".

if that car you riding its ass decides to brake while your doing your best impression of a uhaul trailer, a collision occurs and your insurance company comes a calling.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

IMO the driver began braking when he realized that the scooter had established himself in the drivers lane. also did the driver slam on the brakes (do everyhting he could to avoid a collision) or did he ease up on the brakes just enough to slow down but still be right up on the scooters ass?

you just conceeded that the scooter guy was in the lane, if he is established in the lane then the car driver behind him must keep a reasonable and safe amount of distance in front of him to avoid striking other vehicles that may brake. the person doing the rear ending are presumed to be at fault b/c you should be keeping a safe distance and look-out for suddenly stopping vehicles in front of you.

this looks like what you see on the roadway all the time minus the collision.

a car has a clear lane ahead of him, driver sees another vehcile attempting to enter into his lane and also enjoy the clear lane, driver doesnt want to concede any ground or have anyone cut in front of him so he tries to close the window and not allow the other driver in. if the other driver does slip thru the window then the driver stays on his ass to prove a point of "hey you almost kinda cut me off".

if that car you riding its ass decides to brake while your doing your best impression of a uhaul trailer, a collision occurs and your insurance company comes a calling.

Sorry, to be clear, I don't think scooter-guy became established in the lane.

And sorry, if that car after cutting me off decides to brake, it's on them. On that one, I did have the exact same thing happen to me. Guy cuts me off, says I was "accelerating too fast". Witness says I was in my lane. Insurance company said too bad so sad to the cutting off guy.

You can't switch lanes into another's right of way. It's that simple. Drivers in an open lane of traffic are entitled to that unobstructed open lane of traffic unless recklessly exceeding the speed limit. He was travelling faster than surrounding traffic but that does not equate to reckless.

[tryfuhl]

Excessive acceleration is against traffic code in many areas.. not sure about where they're at. It could also be grouped into the category of "careless driving/operation of vehicle."

I've never really heard the you have the right to approach the speed limit as quickly as you'd like defense. Of course this is all assuming that they were still under the limit and that everyone else was just going painstakingly slowly following the previous incident.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Excessive acceleration is against traffic code in many areas.. not sure about where they're at. It could also be grouped into the category of "careless driving/operation of vehicle."

I've never really heard the you have the right to approach the speed limit as quickly as you'd like defense. Of course this is all assuming that they were still under the limit.

Its a freaking different country so maybe the right lane was the fast lane there.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Its a freaking different country so maybe the right lane was the fast lane there.

common sense should tell you to not differ from your surroundings at such a rate regardless of your country

don't tell me you guys have never watched a video on youtube being filmed from a car having a lil fun out there

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

common sense should tell you to not differ from your surroundings at such a rate regardless of your country

don't tell me you guys have never watched a video on youtube being filmed from a car having a lil fun out there

I think your making more of the speed then there really was. Remember this was a scooter and he was tailgating a car and trying to get around them and thats when he got hit. Also right when he changes lanes he looks back to see the car and it appears he slows down making the car look like it was traveling faster. You can als look at the car he was trying to pass and see how they pull away from him like they are either speeding up or he is slowing and by the scooters brake lights I say he was slowing down.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I think your making more of the speed then there really was. Remember this was a scooter and he was tailgating a car and trying to get around them and thats when he got hit. Also right when he changes lanes he looks back to see the car and it appears he slows down making the car look like it was traveling faster. You can als look at the car he was trying to pass and see how they pull away from him like they are either speeding up or he is slowing and by the scooters brake lights I say he was slowing down.

watch the beginning 7/8s of the video, the speed stands out on its own compared to the rest of the road

it passed more than a "couple of trucks" and if we're going by lightpole distances look how much quicker they approached those compared to the other vehicles

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Its a freaking different country so maybe the right lane was the fast lane there.

It was either the UK, Belgium or the Netherlands based on the license plates and in those countries the right lane is the passing lane or the fast lane. If you noticed all of the trucks were in the far left and center lanes.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Angry

It was either the UK, Belgium or the Netherlands based on the license plates and in those countries the right lane is the passing lane or the fast lane. If you noticed all of the trucks were in the far left and center lanes.

I noticed the trafic sign on the right and it look like chinese writing.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I noticed the trafic sign on the right and it look like chinese writing.

Yeah it said go by a car or keep it on city streets you scooter driving pussy !

Just joking Schneed!