Snyder Camp Upset!!

tryfuhl · 02-02-2011, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Son Of Man

I know that I am in the minority, but I like Dan Snyder sand hopes he owns the team for decades to come. I honestly believe that, despite his littany of mistakes, his intentions are in the right place and he will facillitate bringing a couple of Lombardi trophies to the B&G.

BTW- I would pressure the paper to fire the guy too. What's the use of being wealthy if you don't flex your power sometimes?

LOL true but let's save it for the movies. We're talking about a man's job and possible family here.

over the mountain · 02-02-2011, 01:14 PM

Clicked onto yahoo this morning and this dan snyder thing was the first article highlighted on their front page. awesome

I am going to go out on a limb here and assume the league cant be too happy with bad rep coming out about an nfl owner during superbowl week when the spotlight is extra bright and is supposed to be a positive image time for the NFL.

DS and his team had to know the Wash Po would make an article about his request for preservation of evidence re. the city paper article. He should have just waited a few weeks.

Just another decision from his camp that doesnt seem to well thought out to me.

Terpfan76 · 02-02-2011, 01:14 PM

Look, Dan Snyder is a douche. He's treated his team's fans quite poorly in more ways than just shitty play on the field. That being said, I agree that it appears he's figured out that he has no idea how to run a football team himself, so he needed to get people that do know how to do it. I don't know if Shanny will be the answer nor do I know if Mr. Allen will be able to fix the team, but I'd much rather have Danny Boy than Al Davis or some of the other owners that refuse to spend money. The big thing that needs to be changed is quit trading away draft picks and instead, attempt to acquire more picks. Give the coaching staff enough time to actually succeed or fail rather than make a knee jerk reaction after one or two seasons. And finally, how bout reaching out to the fans of your team? You're filthy rich, you have the second most valuable team in the NFL. How about cutting ticket prices and truly offer the fans something of value as opposed to just consistently losing football. Cut prices now, and when you start winning again, the fans won't mind paying a little bit more for a winning team.

CRedskinsRule · 02-02-2011, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by From Yahoo Front page

The Redskins' Dan Snyder makes it personal after a newspaper publishes a funny story.

Way to spin it for clickability Yahoo. I have come to really dislike a lot of Yahoo Sports headlines, and the articles are usually just as useless.

I generally would be a Dan Snyder apologist, and really think he is getting set for a long haul as a top owner. Some of that is hope, some is wishful, but a lot is based on watching a maturation process over all 10 years of his ownership. I've given enough long winded defenses not going to add another one, but the Yahoo link quote is just ridiculous to me. The article wasn't making jokes, it was a hatchet job, with a lot of facts, and certainly the writer made it personal long before Snyder did.

sportscurmudgeon · 02-02-2011, 01:43 PM

[quote=Longtimefan;781828]

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Like other business "gurus," Snyder operates the Redskins under the mistaken assumption that success is something that can be bought. As far as I can tell, the Snyder Doctrine is some bizarre concoction of liberal amounts of reactionary decision-making, a strong concentration on the short term, and a heavy supply of poorly structured incentives. His favorite answer to solving complex problems is simply to throw more money at them.

Investors who have been around the block once or twice should start to see a few problems developing here.

To me, Dan Snyder is precisely the type of guy Benjamin Graham had in mind when he said "Wall Street people learn nothing and forget everything."

Longtimefan:

I would have given huge odds that Ben Graham's name would not have been invoked on this website for the next decade. Glad I didn't offer that prop bet...

BTW, I tend to agree with your final assessment here...

SirClintonPortis · 02-02-2011, 01:44 PM

Dan Snyder should take some pointers from Cirque du Soleil and realize that putting corporate interests first for the Redskins has harmed the culture there in more ways than one.

CrustyRedskin · 02-02-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'll just re-link what I said in the other thread this past fall about this article here.

http://www.thewarpath.net/760520-post45.html

Hey Smack!! Is this true??

Flavor of ice cream that Snyder left to thaw in defensive coordinator Mike Nolan’s office TWICE in one season to let the coach know the owner felt his schemes were simplistic, or vanilla. John Feinstein wrote that Snyder’s second delivery, after a loss to Dallas, consisted of “three giant canisters of melting 31 Flavors ice cream” and a note that said “I do not like vanilla.”

BringBackJoeT · 02-02-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This sort of reminds me of last year when that bogus story circulated about Snyder ordering some million dollar alligator desks, or something like that.

I'm sure he gets frustrated with the repeated misinformation that's put out there. Who wouldn't? Unfortunately, it comes with the territory. He's better off just ignoring it. I mean if the worst someone can say about you is you spend too much on your team, what's the huge deal. He didn't, as I recall, make any defamatory statements toward Snyder's wife or kids. Had he done that, yeah sue him and his offspring for everything they've got and hope to one day have.

The Yahoo story on this included the comment that Snyder has just guaranteed maximum national exposure of what was originally a local story that has generally been forgotten about. And as a few others have said, such a decision rings of the old Snyder instead of the new one that, judging by the posts in this thread, the majority is very much enamored with.

Approaching the Post and telling them to save e-mails and leaking the news of the lawsuit exploration is a stupid decision on Snyder's part. I generally agree that Snyder has exhibited some maturation, although I disagree that it has been years in development as others have said, and instead believe it has only manifested very, very recently. But this since-dead story was printed in the same year that Snyder acknowledged past missteps and actually let a non-Joe Gibbs head coach become the franchise face, so I'm disappointed that he didn't choose to show himself above his detractors and just let this go. That would have been the mature thing to do.

SirClintonPortis · 02-02-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Terpfan76

Look, Dan Snyder is a douche. He's treated his team's fans quite poorly in more ways than just shitty play on the field. That being said, I agree that it appears he's figured out that he has no idea how to run a football team himself, so he needed to get people that do know how to do it. I don't know if Shanny will be the answer nor do I know if Mr. Allen will be able to fix the team, but I'd much rather have Danny Boy than Al Davis or some of the other owners that refuse to spend money. The big thing that needs to be changed is quit trading away draft picks and instead, attempt to acquire more picks. Give the coaching staff enough time to actually succeed or fail rather than make a knee jerk reaction after one or two seasons. And finally, how bout reaching out to the fans of your team? You're filthy rich, you have the second most valuable team in the NFL. How about cutting ticket prices and truly offer the fans something of value as opposed to just consistently losing football. Cut prices now, and when you start winning again, the fans won't mind paying a little bit more for a winning team.

Business first, dirty non-business things later...or never. Bruce Allen is why the fan experience is getting better, not Snyder.

hooskins · 02-02-2011, 02:09 PM

Look, regardless of the validity of the story its the freaking city paper. Doesn't he have bigger fish to fry? I think its pathetic and embarrassing that an owner is so personally TO'ed about an article.

Why not spend all that time and effort in bettering the team, to remove the negative perception created by his first decade of ownership?

sportscurmudgeon · 02-02-2011, 02:11 PM

I am not a lawyer and I never played one on TV. So, I defer to others with legal competencies here.

I also defer to SmootSmack as a person closely involved in sports journalism when it comes to the concepts of libel/slander/defamation.

With those disclaimers, the saga unfolding here will change dramatically the instant Dan Snyder sues City Paper and/or the author for libel/slander/defamation. Because the instant he does that, the argument changes entirely from the tone of the disucussion ongoing here.

In court, it will have nothing to do with whether or not Danny Boy has changed his ways or has stepped back from football operations or his good intentions for the team and the fans. It will have to do with the legal standards for libel/slander/defamation. And here are two things that are involved in those legal standards:

1. Truth is an absolute/unassailable defense. If the article had accused Danny Boy of torturing kittens every other night for the last ten years to satisfy some sadistic urges that he cannot control, he could win a lawsuit over those charges - - UNLESS - - those charges happen to be true. A reporter can make any statements/accusations about anyone at any time with absolute immunity - - - if the statements/accusations are true.

2. Danny Boy is a "public figure" - - not just your average guy on the street. That has nothing to do with his bank account; it has to do with his being well known and well recognized by the public because of his actions in his life. For public figures, the legal standards also include a showing in a libel/slander/defamation action that the author or the publication had to have malicious intent in publishing the stuff.

Remember, I am not a lawyer. Having said that, for a public figure to win such a lawsuit is no simple matter.

There are folks out there who say they know the author and that he withheld stuff from that article that he could not verify. Let me be clear, I do NOT know the author and I have no idea if those statements are true. However, if the statements of those supporters are correct, that would imply an awful lot of fact-checking on his part prior to publication. A lawsuit would determine just how much fact-checking was done here...

Reports also say that Snyder's lawyers have informed the Washington Post to preserve any and all e-mails between the author here and Post columnist Dan Steinberg. I have no idea if that is an important element of this matter or if this is just a threat to make it seem as if the Snyder lawyers are out for blood. But I will suggest the following:

If Danny Boy drags the Washington Post into a lawsuit and thre is no basis for doing so, he will have violated an old precept of public relations:

Never pick a fight with someone who buys newsprint by the carload and ink by the barrel.

This has the potential to get very interesting...

I wonder if the author and or City Paper will file a counter-suit saying that any action filed by Danny Boy was a frivolous and capricious action? That might be fun too...

In legal proceedings there is a process called, "Discovery". Just a hunch here, but neither side would enjoy jumping through the "Discovery" hoops the other side will construct.

skinsfan69 · 02-02-2011, 02:42 PM

Snyder needs to worry about whether or not he's got the right guys doing the job, rather than worrying about what some writer in City Paper is saying. Grow some skin Napoleon.

SmootSmack · 02-02-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Hey Smack!! Is this true??

Flavor of ice cream that Snyder left to thaw in defensive coordinator Mike Nolan’s office TWICE in one season to let the coach know the owner felt his schemes were simplistic, or vanilla. John Feinstein wrote that Snyder’s second delivery, after a loss to Dallas, consisted of “three giant canisters of melting 31 Flavors ice cream” and a note that said “I do not like vanilla.”

Yes. It was stupid, he admitted it was, apologized. Water under the bridge between Snyder and Nolan.

Defensewins · 02-02-2011, 02:47 PM

I am sure there are extremes to all sides of the DS debate that are wrong or exaggerated.
Dan just needs to stay above it and not get in the gutter and roll around in the dirt with the idiots. He also needs to stop reacting out of an emotional angry situation.
He reminds a bit of a powerful politician that makes policy decisions based on popularity polls.
It amazes me that Dan was a huge Redskins fan during the Jack Kent Cooke era and did not pick up on some of things JKC did and did not do that worked well.

NYCSkin · 02-02-2011, 02:48 PM

Dan Snyder is a walking nightmare for a PR firm. Add this episode to the litany of PR disasters associated with him. He should stick to what he knows--profiting yearly off a bad product.

When I read that article in November I thought it was funny. Did I believe every word in it? No. But Snyder's current response just validates so much of the intrinsic message of the McKenna piece.

So the media does not like you. Get over it. Fans don't like you. Get over it.

Snyder needs to concentrate on being respected over liked anyway. Start by getting the respect of the people in your organization. And gain their respect not through threats and the fact that you have a large wallet. Support them as a good business owner should. Spend your offseason doing something productive like installing a heated practice field or building a practice bubble near Redskins Park that the team desperately needs. If I am a player or someone else in the organization--I am wondering why billionaire Snyder is not knocking these facilities out and getting them done in the offseason...

02-02-2011, 01:14 PM	#32
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: Snyder Camp Upset!! Clicked onto yahoo this morning and this dan snyder thing was the first article highlighted on their front page. awesome I am going to go out on a limb here and assume the league cant be too happy with bad rep coming out about an nfl owner during superbowl week when the spotlight is extra bright and is supposed to be a positive image time for the NFL. DS and his team had to know the Wash Po would make an article about his request for preservation of evidence re. the city paper article. He should have just waited a few weeks. Just another decision from his camp that doesnt seem to well thought out to me. __________________ Life is brutal, but beautiful

02-02-2011, 01:14 PM	#33
Terpfan76 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Cumberland, Md Posts: 242	Re: Snyder Camp Upset!! Look, Dan Snyder is a douche. He's treated his team's fans quite poorly in more ways than just shitty play on the field. That being said, I agree that it appears he's figured out that he has no idea how to run a football team himself, so he needed to get people that do know how to do it. I don't know if Shanny will be the answer nor do I know if Mr. Allen will be able to fix the team, but I'd much rather have Danny Boy than Al Davis or some of the other owners that refuse to spend money. The big thing that needs to be changed is quit trading away draft picks and instead, attempt to acquire more picks. Give the coaching staff enough time to actually succeed or fail rather than make a knee jerk reaction after one or two seasons. And finally, how bout reaching out to the fans of your team? You're filthy rich, you have the second most valuable team in the NFL. How about cutting ticket prices and truly offer the fans something of value as opposed to just consistently losing football. Cut prices now, and when you start winning again, the fans won't mind paying a little bit more for a winning team.

02-02-2011, 01:44 PM	#36
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: Snyder Camp Upset!! Dan Snyder should take some pointers from Cirque du Soleil and realize that putting corporate interests first for the Redskins has harmed the culture there in more ways than one. __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

02-02-2011, 02:09 PM	#40
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 37 Posts: 8,606	Re: Snyder Camp Upset!! Look, regardless of the validity of the story its the freaking city paper. Doesn't he have bigger fish to fry? I think its pathetic and embarrassing that an owner is so personally TO'ed about an article. Why not spend all that time and effort in bettering the team, to remove the negative perception created by his first decade of ownership? __________________ Vacancy

02-02-2011, 02:11 PM	#41
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Snyder Camp Upset!! I am not a lawyer and I never played one on TV. So, I defer to others with legal competencies here. I also defer to SmootSmack as a person closely involved in sports journalism when it comes to the concepts of libel/slander/defamation. With those disclaimers, the saga unfolding here will change dramatically the instant Dan Snyder sues City Paper and/or the author for libel/slander/defamation. Because the instant he does that, the argument changes entirely from the tone of the disucussion ongoing here. In court, it will have nothing to do with whether or not Danny Boy has changed his ways or has stepped back from football operations or his good intentions for the team and the fans. It will have to do with the legal standards for libel/slander/defamation. And here are two things that are involved in those legal standards: 1. Truth is an absolute/unassailable defense. If the article had accused Danny Boy of torturing kittens every other night for the last ten years to satisfy some sadistic urges that he cannot control, he could win a lawsuit over those charges - - UNLESS - - those charges happen to be true. A reporter can make any statements/accusations about anyone at any time with absolute immunity - - - if the statements/accusations are true. 2. Danny Boy is a "public figure" - - not just your average guy on the street. That has nothing to do with his bank account; it has to do with his being well known and well recognized by the public because of his actions in his life. For public figures, the legal standards also include a showing in a libel/slander/defamation action that the author or the publication had to have malicious intent in publishing the stuff. Remember, I am not a lawyer. Having said that, for a public figure to win such a lawsuit is no simple matter. There are folks out there who say they know the author and that he withheld stuff from that article that he could not verify. Let me be clear, I do NOT know the author and I have no idea if those statements are true. However, if the statements of those supporters are correct, that would imply an awful lot of fact-checking on his part prior to publication. A lawsuit would determine just how much fact-checking was done here... Reports also say that Snyder's lawyers have informed the Washington Post to preserve any and all e-mails between the author here and Post columnist Dan Steinberg. I have no idea if that is an important element of this matter or if this is just a threat to make it seem as if the Snyder lawyers are out for blood. But I will suggest the following: If Danny Boy drags the Washington Post into a lawsuit and thre is no basis for doing so, he will have violated an old precept of public relations: Never pick a fight with someone who buys newsprint by the carload and ink by the barrel. This has the potential to get very interesting... I wonder if the author and or City Paper will file a counter-suit saying that any action filed by Danny Boy was a frivolous and capricious action? That might be fun too... In legal proceedings there is a process called, "Discovery". Just a hunch here, but neither side would enjoy jumping through the "Discovery" hoops the other side will construct. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

02-02-2011, 02:42 PM	#42
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,327	Re: Snyder Camp Upset!! Snyder needs to worry about whether or not he's got the right guys doing the job, rather than worrying about what some writer in City Paper is saying. Grow some skin Napoleon.

02-02-2011, 02:47 PM	#44
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,749	Re: Snyder Camp Upset!! I am sure there are extremes to all sides of the DS debate that are wrong or exaggerated. Dan just needs to stay above it and not get in the gutter and roll around in the dirt with the idiots. He also needs to stop reacting out of an emotional angry situation. He reminds a bit of a powerful politician that makes policy decisions based on popularity polls. It amazes me that Dan was a huge Redskins fan during the Jack Kent Cooke era and did not pick up on some of things JKC did and did not do that worked well.

02-02-2011, 02:48 PM	#45
NYCSkin Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Age: 53 Posts: 513	Re: Snyder Camp Upset!! Dan Snyder is a walking nightmare for a PR firm. Add this episode to the litany of PR disasters associated with him. He should stick to what he knows--profiting yearly off a bad product. When I read that article in November I thought it was funny. Did I believe every word in it? No. But Snyder's current response just validates so much of the intrinsic message of the McKenna piece. So the media does not like you. Get over it. Fans don't like you. Get over it. Snyder needs to concentrate on being respected over liked anyway. Start by getting the respect of the people in your organization. And gain their respect not through threats and the fact that you have a large wallet. Support them as a good business owner should. Spend your offseason doing something productive like installing a heated practice field or building a practice bubble near Redskins Park that the team desperately needs. If I am a player or someone else in the organization--I am wondering why billionaire Snyder is not knocking these facilities out and getting them done in the offseason...

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