Snyder Camp Upset!!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

SS, you correctly point out some of what I think are smaller things the article includes, e.g. B Mitch, poking fun at L. Michael. I think those things in the article are kind of piling on and nitpicky, they discredit the more substantive things the writer lists.

DS deserves credit for doing any no. of good things, I'm not saying he hasn't. It's also good for business to do some of those things. I stood up for him for a long time & thought people were unjustifiably hard on him. But he's got a track record now & a history of bad moves & poor judgement. He has repeated the "I've learned" mantra every preseason.

I really believe his time is running short to turn things around, we've seen the public grow increasingly disenchanted. The last few years were really a circus, and that's really disconcerting since Gibbs left the team in better shape than it was when he got there. I know getting rid of Vinny was step 1, and I'm confident in Allen & MS, but I wish I could say I was truly confident that moving forward they will be able to mold the team w/out DS adversely affecting their ability to do so.

Yeah, well my point is the public grows increasingly disenchanted in large part because they lump in many things that aren't true or misleading. Guy's not flawless by any means, but he might get a bit more slack if much of the bogus info wasn't piled on repeatedly....or maybe it just wouldn't matter because all people want is a winning team.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'll just re-link what I said in the other thread this past fall about this article here.

http://www.thewarpath.net/760520-post45.html

Hey Smack!! Is this true??

Flavor of ice cream that Snyder left to thaw in defensive coordinator Mike Nolan’s office TWICE in one season to let the coach know the owner felt his schemes were simplistic, or vanilla. John Feinstein wrote that Snyder’s second delivery, after a loss to Dallas, consisted of “three giant canisters of melting 31 Flavors ice cream” and a note that said “I do not like vanilla.”

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

Hey Smack!! Is this true??

Flavor of ice cream that Snyder left to thaw in defensive coordinator Mike Nolan’s office TWICE in one season to let the coach know the owner felt his schemes were simplistic, or vanilla. John Feinstein wrote that Snyder’s second delivery, after a loss to Dallas, consisted of “three giant canisters of melting 31 Flavors ice cream” and a note that said “I do not like vanilla.”

Yes. It was stupid, he admitted it was, apologized. Water under the bridge between Snyder and Nolan.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yes. It was stupid, he admitted it was, apologized. Water under the bridge between Snyder and Nolan.

It sure seems like this guy sure did put in a lot of time and effort researching and organizing all of this stuff. Sounds like this guy has a heck of a grudge...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

It sure seems like this guy sure did put in a lot of time and effort researching and organizing all of this stuff. Sounds like this guy has a heck of a grudge...

Well I don't know how much time he spent, but a lot of research was pretty poor

[Defensewins]

The fact that he reacted at all to this article shows he has not changed completely.
He has changed for the better though when it comes to the team and letting Shanahan/Allen run the team personnel wise. But the petulant, spoiled, self entitled man/child is still there....just hiding.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

The fact that he reacted at all to this article shows he has not changed completely.
He has changed for the better though when it comes to the team and letting Shanahan/Allen run the team personnel wise. But the petulant, spoiled, self entitled man/child is still there....just hiding.

He's never been known as the greatest when it comes to public speaking. Blessed with a concealing demeanor, it's plain to understand why he's so easily misunderstood, and not so fondly embraced by all of the Redskin community. It becomes a strain to sort out a difference between what he says, and what he does.

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[Dirtbag59]

This reaction by Snyder scares me. Not just because he's acting as a tyrant but mainly because it seems like he's getting stir crazy and if Allen/Shanahan fails he could use it as an in to get involved in football operations again.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

This reaction by Snyder scares me. Not just because he's acting as a tyrant but mainly because it seems like he's getting stir crazy and if Allen/Shanahan fails he could use it as an in to get involved in football operations again.

Allen/Shanahan = the litmus test.

[SmootSmack]

This sort of reminds me of last year when that bogus story circulated about Snyder ordering some million dollar alligator desks, or something like that.

I'm sure he gets frustrated with the repeated misinformation that's put out there. Who wouldn't? Unfortunately, it comes with the territory. He's better off just ignoring it. I mean if the worst someone can say about you is you spend too much on your team, what's the huge deal. He didn't, as I recall, make any defamatory statements toward Snyder's wife or kids. Had he done that, yeah sue him and his offspring for everything they've got and hope to one day have.

[BringBackJoeT]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This sort of reminds me of last year when that bogus story circulated about Snyder ordering some million dollar alligator desks, or something like that.

I'm sure he gets frustrated with the repeated misinformation that's put out there. Who wouldn't? Unfortunately, it comes with the territory. He's better off just ignoring it. I mean if the worst someone can say about you is you spend too much on your team, what's the huge deal. He didn't, as I recall, make any defamatory statements toward Snyder's wife or kids. Had he done that, yeah sue him and his offspring for everything they've got and hope to one day have.

The Yahoo story on this included the comment that Snyder has just guaranteed maximum national exposure of what was originally a local story that has generally been forgotten about. And as a few others have said, such a decision rings of the old Snyder instead of the new one that, judging by the posts in this thread, the majority is very much enamored with.

Approaching the Post and telling them to save e-mails and leaking the news of the lawsuit exploration is a stupid decision on Snyder's part. I generally agree that Snyder has exhibited some maturation, although I disagree that it has been years in development as others have said, and instead believe it has only manifested very, very recently. But this since-dead story was printed in the same year that Snyder acknowledged past missteps and actually let a non-Joe Gibbs head coach become the franchise face, so I'm disappointed that he didn't choose to show himself above his detractors and just let this go. That would have been the mature thing to do.

[over the mountain]

Clicked onto yahoo this morning and this dan snyder thing was the first article highlighted on their front page. awesome

I am going to go out on a limb here and assume the league cant be too happy with bad rep coming out about an nfl owner during superbowl week when the spotlight is extra bright and is supposed to be a positive image time for the NFL.

DS and his team had to know the Wash Po would make an article about his request for preservation of evidence re. the city paper article. He should have just waited a few weeks.

Just another decision from his camp that doesnt seem to well thought out to me.

[Terpfan76]

Look, Dan Snyder is a douche. He's treated his team's fans quite poorly in more ways than just shitty play on the field. That being said, I agree that it appears he's figured out that he has no idea how to run a football team himself, so he needed to get people that do know how to do it. I don't know if Shanny will be the answer nor do I know if Mr. Allen will be able to fix the team, but I'd much rather have Danny Boy than Al Davis or some of the other owners that refuse to spend money. The big thing that needs to be changed is quit trading away draft picks and instead, attempt to acquire more picks. Give the coaching staff enough time to actually succeed or fail rather than make a knee jerk reaction after one or two seasons. And finally, how bout reaching out to the fans of your team? You're filthy rich, you have the second most valuable team in the NFL. How about cutting ticket prices and truly offer the fans something of value as opposed to just consistently losing football. Cut prices now, and when you start winning again, the fans won't mind paying a little bit more for a winning team.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Terpfan76

Look, Dan Snyder is a douche. He's treated his team's fans quite poorly in more ways than just shitty play on the field. That being said, I agree that it appears he's figured out that he has no idea how to run a football team himself, so he needed to get people that do know how to do it. I don't know if Shanny will be the answer nor do I know if Mr. Allen will be able to fix the team, but I'd much rather have Danny Boy than Al Davis or some of the other owners that refuse to spend money. The big thing that needs to be changed is quit trading away draft picks and instead, attempt to acquire more picks. Give the coaching staff enough time to actually succeed or fail rather than make a knee jerk reaction after one or two seasons. And finally, how bout reaching out to the fans of your team? You're filthy rich, you have the second most valuable team in the NFL. How about cutting ticket prices and truly offer the fans something of value as opposed to just consistently losing football. Cut prices now, and when you start winning again, the fans won't mind paying a little bit more for a winning team.

Business first, dirty non-business things later...or never. Bruce Allen is why the fan experience is getting better, not Snyder.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by From Yahoo Front page

The Redskins' Dan Snyder makes it personal after a newspaper publishes a funny story.

Way to spin it for clickability Yahoo. I have come to really dislike a lot of Yahoo Sports headlines, and the articles are usually just as useless.

I generally would be a Dan Snyder apologist, and really think he is getting set for a long haul as a top owner. Some of that is hope, some is wishful, but a lot is based on watching a maturation process over all 10 years of his ownership. I've given enough long winded defenses not going to add another one, but the Yahoo link quote is just ridiculous to me. The article wasn't making jokes, it was a hatchet job, with a lot of facts, and certainly the writer made it personal long before Snyder did.