CJ28 Doesn't like COPS. Says "It's hard being young, black and rich"

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

That said, Johnson lives in a nice a
The question is, were people profiling him because he's black, or because they know he plays in the NFL?

Or the accuser is a Colts fans... Doh!

Seriously though, the one problem I see besides the obvious profiling is IMO Police should have real allegations of illegalities or justifiable proof before going onto onto someones property and confronting someone to ask and if what the are doing is illegal. This is still America... right?
If the POLICE see something illegal even if it is something minor like loud music or public intoxication then go ahead and take care of business. But if a neighbor calls and says there are many high value cars going in and out of our neighborhood due the new neighbor, that should not be enough reason to confront the new neighbor. There is nothing illegal with that. Conduct an investigation, track the traffic, tap phone lines. That is fine. Do some actual police work before you knock on my door and point an accusatory finger at me. If at that point you find any evidence or hint that there might be something illegal going on then respond. But don't take the word of a stranger over another.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think what he's saying is poor people are more likely than rich people to SELL drugs.

is selling as opposed to buying so much worse? i get what he is saying i just don't like when people paint with such a broad brush and like to live under assumptions. in my life i have meet a lot of good people and a lot of shitty people, i have also known and know plenty of people who used, use, and sell drugs. some of them aren't very wealthy and some of them are. some people (not accusing you) like to think the world is a certain way when the reality is every one has their issues not just kids/people from lower income families

[skinsfaninok]

Good post GM.

I'm white and grew up in "family housing" which was 90% black, the cops were always in the neighborhood for some good reasons and for some "typical" reasons. Most of my friends are black and I can honestly say police do judge them a little differently, BUT whites, mexicans, Indians etc could also be profiled. If u want to live a "hood" lifestyle you will always have problems with cops no matter what race u are. I can tell u about the trailer park zones in MS also where drugs and selling of drugs is just as bad.

[CrustyRedskin]

There goes the neigborhood.

[skinsfaninok]

Sorry folks didn't mean to start a damn race fight..

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

is selling as opposed to buying so much worse? i get what he is saying i just don't like when people paint with such a broad brush and like to live under assumptions. in my life i have meet a lot of good people and a lot of shitty people, i have also known and know plenty of people who used, use, and sell drugs. some of them aren't very wealthy and some of them are. some people (not accusing you) like to think the world is a certain way when the reality is every one has their issues not just kids/people from lower income families

I never said selling drugs was better or worse than buying them. I don't think Schneed is making any absolute statements like wealthy people would NEVER sell drugs. Certainly there are plenty of people in all income brackets that have issues with drugs- being it selling or using.

But I think it's a very logical conclusion to say that the likelihood of a poor person selling drugs (regardless of race) is much higher than a rich person. It's kind of a no-brainer.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Good post GM.

I'm white and grew up in "family housing" which was 90% black, the cops were always in the neighborhood for some good reasons and for some "typical" reasons. Most of my friends are black and I can honestly say police do judge them a little differently, BUT whites, mexicans, Indians etc could also be profiled. If u want to live a "hood" lifestyle you will always have problems with cops no matter what race u are. I can tell u about the trailer park zones in MS also where drugs and selling of drugs is just as bad.

Just a friendly FYI - Mexican is not a race. Not every Hispanic is from Mexico. Not that most Hispanics really care, but it makes you look uneducated. Kind of like when Sarah Palin thought Africa was a country. HA!

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Sorry folks didn't mean to start a damn race fight..

not much of a fight just disscssion and it's this or ramble on about the offesive line, f-ing lockout!!! damn you!!!

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I never said selling drugs was better or worse than buying them. I don't think Schneed is making any absolute statements like wealthy people would NEVER sell drugs. Certainly there are plenty of people in all income brackets that have issues with drugs- being it selling or using.

But I think it's a very logical conclusion to say that the likelihood of a poor person selling drugs (regardless of race) is much higher than a rich person. It's kind of a no-brainer.

now we are talking about who is selling and buying, all i'm saying is just because you live in a fancy neighborhood and eveyone drives bmw's doens't mean they aren't up to no good.

what was intially said was:

If I'm speaking honestly, it depends on the neighborhood. I think it has nothing to do with race.

If I'm in a neighborhood with decent household income and I see dudes coming and going from a house all the time, I'm likely to think it's a guy and his buddies who love to play poker. White, black, or whatever.

But if I'm in a neighborhood whose median household income is $20K - 30K, and there are lots of men coming and going from the house all the time, yes I am likely to be suspicious (and guess what, I'm likely to be right).

and personally i think that statement is very iggnorant, regardless of race or nationality, he is saying people with money get together play poker, drink brandy, and smoke cigars, while poeple with no money are involed in illegal activities. imo i think that is a old fashioned way of thinking, but it's just that, my opinion.

[skinsfaninok]

Sorry defense wins.. I meant Hispanic

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

That said, Johnson lives in a nice area. So in this case he's right, this seems like profiling.

The question is, were people profiling him because he's black, or because they know he plays in the NFL?

Or because they've heard him speak and have come to the realization that he's stoned out of his ****ing mind?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

you pretty much stated my point. you think poor people do drugs and rich people don't, gotcha.

Not do drugs. Sell drugs.

Dealers generally would not be well off if not for the drug money.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think what he's saying is poor people are more likely than rich people to SELL drugs.

Exactly. Didn't realize you made my point before responding.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

now we are talking about who is selling and buying, all i'm saying is just because you live in a fancy neighborhood and eveyone drives bmw's doens't mean they aren't up to no good.

what was intially said was:


and personally i think that statement is very iggnorant, regardless of race or nationality, he is saying people with money get together play poker, drink brandy, and smoke cigars, while poeple with no money are involed in illegal activities. imo i think that is a old fashioned way of thinking, but it's just that, my opinion.

First, you're putting words in my mouth, namely the bolded parts. I never said those things.

What I said was the likelihood of a constant parade of people in and out of a house is more likely to be suspicious in a lower income neighborhood than in a higher income neighborhood. There are facts and figures to back that up, it's not some broad-brushed generalization.

Never did I say that low income people are always up to something illegal.

Your reading comprehension and critical reasoning skills need work.

Income is an indicator of a lot of things for a lot of reasons:

- There's less incentive to commit crime when you can legally support yourself comfortably.

- There's more to lose by risking getting caught by the police.

- Higher-income neighborhoods have more tax funds available to fund local police. Look no further than Camden NJ where they recently laid off 24% of the police force.

- Now combine the above. In higher income communities you have high ratios of police force to residents, and lower incidence of crime because mostly the citizens just want to go to work and live their comfortable lives. The result is a police force with not much to do but investigate the most mundane calls.

- And do the same in lower income neighborhoods. You have a police force that's spread too thin, and a high incidence of crime because more residents turn to crime to make ends meet. The result there is a police force that can't always respond to 911 calls in a timely manner.

I'm not profiling Chris Johnson. It has nothing to do with race. This is just the way our society's socioeconomic machine operates.

[SmootSmack]

I saw COPS capitalized in the thread title and I thought...maybe he's got a problem with the TV show

And that's all I'm going to say about this