Predict the 2011 Opening Day 53 Man Roster

[30gut]

Double G Williams beat us to it awhile back.
The Saints signed Rogers.

The QB hit stat is a great stat btw-

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Double G Williams beat us to it awhile back.
The Saints signed Rogers.

The QB hit stat is a great stat btw-

You're right. I forgot about that.

Stupid Gregg Williams.

[30gut]

I think the FO is in re-tooling mode not a re-building modes so my moves will reflect what I think would be the best moves for them following the somewhere in between win now and re-build mandate:

QB: John Beck, Adam Froman (Jerrod Johnson)

RB: Ryan Torain, Roy Helu #2 on a bullet with butterfly wings, Keiland Williams

FB: Darrell Young, Mike Sellers

TE: Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Logan Paulsen

WR: Santana Moss, Anthony Armstrong, Malcolm Kelly, Leonard Hankerson, Terrence Austin,

OL: Trent Williams, Kory L., Samson Satele, Will Montgomery, Matt Light, Selvish Capers, Oldenburg, Eric Cook

DL: Adam Carriker, Anthony Bryant, Cullen Jenkins, Jeremy Jarmon, Jarvis Jenkins, Darion Scott, Kedrick Golston, Chris Neild

LB: Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan,, London Fletcher,Perry Riley, Chris Wilson, HB Blades, , Robert Henson, Lorenzo Alexander

DB: DeAngelo Hall, Chris Houston, Kevin Barnes, Byron Westbrook

S: OJ Atogwe, Laron Landry, Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes

Nile Paul and Aldrick Robertson

[CultBrennan59]

QB: Rex Grossman, Bruce Gradkowski, John Beck

RB: Ryan Torain, Roy Helu, Evan Royster

FB: Darrell Young

TE: Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Logan Paulsen

WR: Santana Moss, Anthony Armstrong, Leonard Hankerson, Terrence Austin, Brandon Banks, Niles Paul, Jeff Mahel

OT: Trent Williams, Ryan Harris, Jammal Brown, Selvish Capers

OG: Kory L., Davin Joseph, Maurice Hurt

C: Will Montgomery, Chase Beeler

K: Graham Gano

DE: Adam Carriker, Jarvis Jenkins, Cullen Jenkins, Vonnie Holliday

NT: Aubryo Franklin, Anthony Bryant, Chris Neild

OLB: Brian Orakpo, Ryan Kerrigan, Lorenzo Alexander, Chris Wilson

ILB: London Fletcher, Perry Riley, Robert Henson, HB Blades

DB: DeAngelo Hall, Ike Taylor, Byron Westbrook, Kevin Barnes, Brandyn Thompson

S: OJ Atogwe, Laron Landry, Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes

P: Adam Podlesh

LS: Nick Sundberg

[Big C]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Here's a bold prediction - Helu will "flat out beat" Torain for the starting RB job on opening day.

Point-Counterpoint: Sorting out the running backs

that wouldnt be that surprising at all. we traded up to get helu, obviously shannahan likes him. he had a lot of success in college and fits our offense to a t apparently.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Big C

that wouldnt be that surprising at all. we traded up to get helu, obviously shannahan likes him. he had a lot of success in college and fits our offense to a t apparently.

I don't know. I mean I love Helu as a big play threat. God knows we need someone who can take a handoff all the way to the endzone. However as I said before I honestly believe that Shanny likes Royster better.

My guess is the reason Helu was drafted first was because the front office felt like Helu had more teams gunning for him on draft day and in the end they wanted to get both Helu and Royster in the same draft, hence the need to get Helu first.

Of course that is all just a guess on my part but after hearing Shanny talking about Royster it just feels like he was the favorite among the two backs that were picked. Obviously a guy with 4.3 speed and 6.0 yards per carry is going to have more value on draft day then an engine that could type back that does everything good and nothing great.

[Skins4L]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

DB: DeAngelo Hall, Nnamdi Asomugha

Id like too see it myself but its actually a tandem weve seen and wasnt successul SUPRISINGLY... Why didnt these two click last time in Oakland?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Skins4L

Id like too see it myself but its actually a tandem weve seen and wasnt successul SUPRISINGLY... Why didnt these two click last time in Oakland?

They asked Hall to play more bump and run which is similar to asking Haynesworth to play a two gap style.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I don't know. I mean I love Helu as a big play threat. God knows we need someone who can take a handoff all the way to the endzone. However as I said before I honestly believe that Shanny likes Royster better.

My guess is the reason Helu was drafted first was because the front office felt like Helu had more teams gunning for him on draft day and in the end they wanted to get both Helu and Royster in the same draft, hence the need to get Helu first.

Of course that is all just a guess on my part but after hearing Shanny talking about Royster it just feels like he was the favorite among the two backs that were picked. Obviously a guy with 4.3 speed and 6.0 yards per carry is going to have more value on draft day then an engine that could type back that does everything good and nothing great.

I think you're right here. Royster wasn't being looked at and talked to by us a lot, where as Helu wasn't really even mentioned. Plus I feel like Helu was the great college back that more one dimensional, and Roysters the multi-dimensional still has more to show (Arian Foster for example) type of back.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Skins4L

Id like too see it myself but its actually a tandem weve seen and wasnt successul SUPRISINGLY... Why didnt these two click last time in Oakland?

This was a really good question, so I did some research. Hall's terrible play in Oakland may have been overstated.

I mean, he was terrible there across from Asomugha, meaning he had a pair of disaster games against Jay Cutler and Matt Ryan that year, and then Al Davis held him accountable and released him. I think the perception of Hall's bad games is often not as critical as it deserves to be because Hall is rarely held accountable for poor performance. Davis wrote a check and released him.

But 2008 ended up being a pretty standard DeAngelo Hall season by the end. He can complain about the coverages they made him play in Oakland all he wants, but it's not like 2008 (9 YPA against in OAK, but 5 YPA against in WAS) was somehow more erratic than his 2010 season (5 INTs in two halves in Weeks 7 & 8, 0 INTs rest of season). Hall just lets recent outcomes dictate his abilities on the next play. He should be better than he is, in theory, but the only man who ever held him accountable, Al Davis, is never going to take a chance on him again.

Long story short, Asomugha and Hall would work at least as well here as Rogers and Hall. Hall isn't going to play worse just because he's getting thrown at more. It's just that his mistakes will compound and perhaps be more evident. But they were always there.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

They asked Hall to play more bump and run which is similar to asking Haynesworth to play a two gap style.

He actually excelled in bump and run when he came here in 2008, because he was playing with a chip on his shoulder. Remember: we didn't switch off aggressive man coverage until the 2009 season.

So Oakland may have been right to believe he could be a good bump and run corner, but Hall never believed in his own ability to do so, and so he never did it well in Oakland.

In that way, at least, the DeAngelo Hall:Oakland::Albert Haynesworth:Washington Analogy holds up quite well. Haynesworth probably could excel at 3-4 5 technique if he put his mind to it. But Hall actually did excel at it when he had a point to prove.

After he got the $52 million deal from us though, Blache never even pretended to attempt to hold Hall accountable for anything. That was a Rogers-only policy.

[GTripp0012]

The funny thing about this is: DeAngelo Hall is a far better man coverage player than a zone coverage player. It's not even close. He's a perennial pro bowl talent in man to man, and a consistent non-performing coverage liability in zone. But if given the choice, Hall would only ever play zone coverage because he likes the 1:100 chance of getting an errant pass thrown to him and creating points and field position out of the return. And too many DCs in recent memory have given Hall a choice.

[Dirtbag59]

What can I say? Scouts Inc seems to strongly agree with GTripp.

Comment: He is a veteran cornerback who is more flash than he is player. He has the physical tools to be great but usually just plays at an average to above-average level. He is an excellent athlete for the position. He is excellent in man coverage. He is at his best when challenged by the better receivers in the NFL. He can shut down the opponent's top receiver when his mind is right. He is not very good in zones. He is not a very good technician and can get lazy with his techniques. He does not break on the ball quickly when playing off. He has excellent balance and body control. He does not attack versus the run. He has a ton of talent but does not consistently play up to his abilities.

The thing I've noticed though is that as loose as Hall plays, not to mention games where he gives up pretty sizable gains the defense was still able to prevent opposing teams from putting up points. Most notably in the Green Bay game where Halls cushion almost set up a game winning field goal for the Pack.

It seems though like he played more conservative during the second half of the season. As you can see in his stat sheet, the amount of tackles dropped off considerably during the second half. Probably a product of the defense playing better overall but also possible is the fact that Hall played tighter.

Also a funny stat about Los. Guy has 48 Pass Deflections the last 3 years. 48! Can you imagine how amazing that guy would be if he could catch?

[NLC1054]

QB: John Beck, Rex Grossman, Matt Leinart (Yeah, I said it.)

RB: Roy Helu, Keiland Williams, Evan Royster

FB: Mike Sellers, Darrel Young

TE: Chris Cooley, Fred Davis, Logan Paulsen

WR: Santana Moss, Leonard Hankerson, Anthony Armstrong, Terrence Austin, Niles Paul, Aldrick Robinson

OL: Trent Williams, Robert Gallery, Kory Lichensteiger, Davin Joseph, Ryan Harris, Will Montgomery, Selvish Capers, Clint Oldenberg, Eric Cook

K: Graham Gano

DL: Jarvis Jenkins, Aubrayo Franklin, Adam Carriker, Kedrick Golston, Vonnie Holliday, Chris Neild, Anthony Bryant

OLB: Ryan Kerrigan, Brian Orakpo, Lorenzo Alexander, Robert Jackson

ILB: London Fletcher, Robert Henson, Perry Riley, H.B Blades

CB: Jonathan Joseph, DeAngelo Hall, Kevin Barnes, Phillip Buchanon

FS: OJ Atogwe, Kareem Moore

SS: LaRon Landry, Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes

P: ?

LS: ?

[Lotus]

For those with either Sundberg or Dearth at LS, please no! Gano will not reach his peak until we have someone else who can reliably long snap.