If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

It amazes me to hear people talk about college qb's. It has become so similar and as polarizing as politics. If a Qb does not have certain labels or buzz words like tall, white kid, pocket passer, pro offense experience then to some it is a waste. That is very narrow minded.
Nearly all college Qb's are not ready for the NLF when they first come out, even the ones that meet these labels.

It's nothing narrow minded about it. It's about recognizing what is good in college and works there, doesn't in the NFL. Big arm, height, mobility, intelligence, accuracy, character all play a part in it.


Also, the very guy being investigated for improper use of cars decides to roll up Monday to a team only meeting in this?



I don't need to see a Wonderlic test to know this guy is a idiot. He's pretty much sending a message that yeah I did this shit and got my coach fired but so what!! You want that leading your pro team? Good thing many of you don't run this team.

[skinsfan69]

wouldn't touch this guy. he's simply not an accurate enough passer for the pro game. imo that's something you're born with. to his credit he's gotten better but stlll not good enough. i really wouldn't judge the guy on the off the field stuff. these guys are 18-21 year olds and people forget that. these guys are going to make mistakes.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

i really wouldn't judge the guy on the off the field stuff. these guys are 18-21 year olds and people forget that. these guys are going to make mistakes.

I agree for the most part depending on the exact stuff being done and how many incidents. However, when you get caught, you don't still keep doing it which is exactly what he's done this past week. "Oh, I'm being investigated for improper use of cars given to me by dealerships? Let me just roll up into a meeting in a 350Z with 30 day dealer tags that some dealership loaned to me." That goes beyond the "being 18-21 year old mistake. That signifies something much much more.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I agree for the most part depending on the exact stuff being done and how many incidents. However, when you get caught, you don't still keep doing it which is exactly what he's done this past week. "Oh, I'm being investigated for improper use of cars given to me by dealerships? Let me just roll up into a meeting in a 350Z with 30 day dealer tags that some dealership loaned to me." That goes beyond the "being 18-21 year old mistake. That signifies something much much more.

do you know how he got the car?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

do you know how he got the car?

The report has been he's used over 8 different cars since his time at Ohio State. It's quite obvious from the investigative report from SI that this dealership is loaning him cars to use. He sure as hell didn't pay for it. (or any of the other 7 cars) If he was selling gear and other stuff, what makes you think he wasn't taking cars from dealerships? Come on man....lol People are in so denial about things.

[Monkeydad]

Not a chance. He's not a Pro QB. He'll likely end up in the UFL.

[Chico23231]

I think in terms of value, look at the recent draft. Wrap your brain around christian ponder middle first round, and the what 4th, 5th QB taken at that point? Think of that talent pool of QBs and how high they went.

Now think if you could land Terrel Pryor with a 4th round value, getting him in a year early to sit and learn. Maybe even a 3rd.

Im much much comfortable using a 4th on TP than say a Ponder, Gabbert, Cam, Locker in the 1st round. Risk. From a value standpoint TP in the 4th or 3rd much better value. I wouldnt be upset with a gamble from that standpoint.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think in terms of value, look at the recent draft. Wrap your brain around christian ponder middle first round, and the what 4th, 5th QB taken at that point? Think of that talent pool of QBs and how high they went.

I think the reason those guys went so high is because of the lack of FA moves due to the lockout. Had Kolb or any other FA QB been available, I doubt you see Locker being taken in top 10 or Ponder in mid first.

[saden1]

Taking him would be a waste of a draft pick and a roster spot. He can't play at the next level unless you intend to run a gimmick oriented offense.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Nah.. If we go supplemental on one of those OSU kids (assuming they all come out) is the tackle who is supposed to be a late 1st, mid 2nd round grade. What makes the supplemental draft attractive now is without the benefit of OTAs all rookies will be on an even plane. It's really like getting an extra value pick from the 2011 draft rather than giving up a 2012 pick.

I feel almost the exact same way. I don’t really know one way or another about Pryor, but I would be all over Mike Adams. If they wanted to go after Pryor or the running back too, sure why not.

I don’t like the comparison that some people make when saying youre loosing a draft pick from next year’s draft to pick up someone now. If you use a draft pick today, from next year’s stock, on a player that you would like to go after next year then youre not losing a pick, youre just using your pick early. Its like youre getting paid in advance. Youre not giving up a draft pick in next years draft, youre using a draft pick from next years draft on a player would otherwise be in next years draft if not for unforeseen circumstances. So if all he does is practice this year, he will just be more impactful next year since he’s more accumulated to the nfl/the Redskins. The only negative thing is that youre potentially using a roster space for a player that may not end up contributing much since his learning time has been shorten, which might not be a big deal this year………

Its not a good thing that traditional rookies and supplemental drafted rookies might end up having the same amount learning time because it means that the traditional drafted rookies are going to be behind where they normally would be. We should expect to get less and less out of what you normally would expect from a rookie’s first year contribution each day the lockout goes on. But fortunitly the nfl realizes this and has basically said that they are probably going to allow for larger rosters (and I think larger practice squads for all the UDFA’s that are really getting screwed in this lockout) this year because otherwise a lot of rookies are gonna get cut since they have a shorted learning curve and will be even further behind then they normally would be. So I think it makes even more sense this year going after a supplemental draft player, since the aforementioned negative of using up a valuable roster spot is likely neutralized since roster sizes are going to be larger/modified.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think in terms of value, look at the recent draft. Wrap your brain around christian ponder middle first round, and the what 4th, 5th QB taken at that point? Think of that talent pool of QBs and how high they went.

Now think if you could land Terrel Pryor with a 4th round value, getting him in a year early to sit and learn. Maybe even a 3rd.

Im much much comfortable using a 4th on TP than say a Ponder, Gabbert, Cam, Locker in the 1st round. Risk. From a value standpoint TP in the 4th or 3rd much better value. I wouldnt be upset with a gamble from that standpoint.

good point. 4th round would be a good value. If he becomes the starter at some point it's a steal, if not it's not too much to lose. 3rd round might be too high for us to bid, but I think Shanny would gamble a 3rd if he likes his potential. Mike Shanahan is risk taker & like you said, this is so much less risk than drafting a qb in 1st or 2nd round.

[mooby]

For once I think I semi-agree with NC_Skins on a point. The kid is a punk, from every account I've read, the one that stands out to me the most is this. Now obviously people can chalk that up to the kid being immature, or w/e reason, and basically say that won't stop him from being a successful qb in the NFL, but how many "bad apples" come out of college football and are able to turn their lives around in the NFL? More often than not you hear about them living the same way they always have, which is basically them coming across as acting like they are above the law. I don't deny that the kid has talent, but talent isn't worth anything if a persons' character prevents that talent from ever fully realizing it on the field. I wouldn't take him, just because it sounds like he hasn't learned anything from the NCAA/OS investigation into his cars. Shanny is a risk taker though, and the risk is minimal if we use a 4th or a 5th round pick on him, so we might end up seeing him in a 'Skins uniform if Shanny determines his talent overrides his character concerns.

[GMScud]

In addition to the free tatoos, the big issue around Pryor are all the automobiles he's been driving since being at OSU (allegedly as many as 8 different cars in 3 years).

So yesterday there was a players only meeting for the Buckeyes and what does Pryor show up in? A 350Z with temporary tags. He just doesn't get it. I don't want any part of that dude. Oh yeah, he also has a a suspended license until August 18th of this year.

Scrutiny in Columbus Over a Nissan 350Z Driven by Terrelle Pryor - WSJ.com

[MTK]

I really don't know much about the guy but just based on what some of you are saying I would definitely pass. He sounds like a headache waiting to happen.

[Dirtbag59]

Ohio State's Terrelle Pryor (2) can't escape the pressure and is sacked by Purdue's Ryan Kerrigan (94), Mike Neal (92), and Keyon Brown (95) during the fourth quarter of Saturday's 24-16 Boilermakers victory in West Lafayette, Ind.