Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Ravens)

[Jontrem]

I know drops have been an issue but I honestly think Hankerson has what it takes to be a good NFL WR. Just give him a bit of time to get used to the speed of the game and concentrate on his hands.

[NLC1054]

I don't think D-Hall got "burned" on that play. That was just perfect ball placement from Flacco there. D-Hall was pretty much matching him step for step but couldn't whip his head around. Some other break downs in the secondary weren't his fault.

[mooby]

Now that it's officially known that Jenkins has a torn acl, that's gotta be my only serious gripe about the game. I was really looking forward to seeing what he can do this year, and he gave us crucial depth at the defensive end positions. What a damn shame. I hope he can come back next year and be effective though.

As for the rest of the game, well secondary still has issues, but since the secondary isn't completely healthy and/or active due to pending suspensions I'll wait on that. Both Beck and Grossman had their moments as qb, so it'll be a tough decision for Shanny to make but my gut feeling is it'll be Beck.

And this was the first game we really saw the penalties come back to hurt us. Those are fixable though.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Overall, very pleased with today's performance so I'll be brief

Jarvis Jenkins' Injury Let's just hope it's not too serious. Aside from not wanting to see any of our players injured, and pulling for a key rookie to have a big year, I'm worried about the depth we have. Right now it looks like Darion Scott will slide into that role behind Carriker. But I'm not 100% comfortable with that.

Kellen Clemens No need to keep him on the roster and take up a roster spot. Should we ever need him, I'm sure he won't be hard to pick up on a monent's notice.

Our SecondaryIt's late and I'm tired, so I won't really elaborate. But I'm concerned about who will line up opposite D. Hall. I absolute love that Hall is a playmaker for us. But, because he likes to take risks, that only can truly work if we're comfortable that the CB on the other side of him is steady and reliable. Yet with Wilson healthy and Barnes playing better against the run than the pass...that steady/reliable CB hasn't quite stepped up yet

I'm surprised no one has called Hall out on being behind the kicker on the extra point after giving up the touchdown.

We've really beaten both sides of the "is DeAngelo Hall a valuable corner?" debate to death. And he pretty much was that same player in the first half against Baltimore. Not much to add to that. If anything that Hall did yesterday in coverage changed a person's opinion of him as a player, they haven't been paying attention.

But dude needs to get over himself. The guy just isn't a professional. His sense of self-importance is mind boggling. And if he hasn't grown up by now, it's just never going to happen. Sorry, everyone who ripped Haynesworth for his absolute lack of professionalism last year: where are you now when Hall does something more ridiculous than Haynesworth ever did?

[Bucket]

He wanted to have time for the coach to challenge the play. I dont think he did it because he was upset about the play. He just didn't understand the rules.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Bucket

He wanted to have time for the coach to challenge the play. I dont think he did it because he was upset about the play. He just didn't understand the rules.

But it's when you realize why he wanted THAT play challenged (as opposed to any others), that you really realize how self-absorbed he really is. His actions there can't be defended. He put himself ahead of the team.

[KLHJ2]

Tripp, just admit that you hate the man and move on. Almost every player gets emotional and does something stupid on the field. I had no problems with his actions after that play last night because it should have been reviewed on the field even though I do feel that it was a TD.

Comparing him to AH is a stretch and absolutely uncalled for though.

[Bucket]

Well he was closest to the ball and involved in the play so if he thinks it should of been challenged then he acted out. I didn't think it was a big deal, he's always talking about the team. Just because the man is confident in himself doesn't mean he's self-absorbed.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Angry

Tripp, just admit that you hate the man and move on. Almost every player gets emotional and does something stupid on the field. I had no problems with his actions after that play last night because it should have been reviewed on the field even though I do feel that it was a TD.

Comparing him to AH is a stretch and absolutely uncalled for though.

I believe that play was reviewed, because it was a scoring play and that new rule means that all scoring plays are reviewable, or have to be reviewed (not sure which.) But either way DeAngelo was in the wrong, because if Shanny had thrown a challenge flag he would've been penalized 15 yards (saw that from another game recently, if you try to challenge a scoring play it will be a penalty).

But I'm not as upset as Gtripp is about it, it's just another thing that the coaches and players have to adjust to. If it happens in the regular season then I'll be annoyed.

[backrow]

My concerns:

Team StatisticsTeam Statistics Comparison: Washington Redskins / Baltimore Ravens Team Statistics Washington Redskins Baltimore Ravens
First Downs 19 27 L
Total Yards 341 452 L
Turnovers 2 2 T
Time of Possession 25:06 34:54 L
First Downs 19 27 L
Passing 13 17 L
Rushing 4 8 L
Penalty 2 2 T
Third Down Efficiency 3-11 5-13 L
Fourth Down Efficiency 0-0 0-1 W
Total Net Yards 341 452 L
Total Plays 58 77 L
Average Gain Per Play 5.9 5.9 T
Net Yards Rushing 103 138 L
Rushes 23 28 L
Average Per Rush 4.5 4.9 L
Net Yards Passing 238 314 L
Completions-Attempts 18-33 28-45 L
Yards Per Pass Play 6.8 6.4 W
Times Sacked 2 4 W
Yards Lost to Sacks 15 30 W
Had Intercepted 2 1 L
Punts 6 4 L
Average Punt 53.3 48.0 W
Penalties 8 5 L
Penalty Yards 52 30 L
Fumbles 0 1 W
Fumbles Lost 0 1 W
Time of Possession 25:06 34:54 L


This in case someone wants to know just why we lost!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Angry

Tripp, just admit that you hate the man and move on. Almost every player gets emotional and does something stupid on the field. I had no problems with his actions after that play last night because it should have been reviewed on the field even though I do feel that it was a TD.

Comparing him to AH is a stretch and absolutely uncalled for though.

No. Emotional is slamming ones helmet on the sideline and/or letting an f bomb slip because of disappointment in oneself. That's just not what happened here.

Hate isn't the right word here. My criticism is 100% rational and should not be dismissed because of who the player is. Haynesworth elicits an emotional response from you, but he never, ever did something so self absorbed as to delay the game after blowing his assignment. He simply never disrespected the game like that.

I'd like to take back the Haynesworth-Hall comparison. They're very different people, very different players, and a very different kind of selfish. So forget I named dropped Haynesworth. This isn't about him.

It's about a player so sadly convinced that he IS the team that we get events like what happened last night far too often. Please don't respond to this if you're just going to brush off what happened as a non-issue. That's not objective.

[Bucket]

I am going to respond to it as a non-issue. He's a player in an emotional game that made an emotional attempt to getting a play reviewed. I didn't see an issue in it, and I dont see how anyone really can. Even Shannahan gave him a pat on the head and ass while heading to the sideline because I don't think D Hall understood that Mike couldn't challenge the play untill after the forced the penalty.

Hall gives it his all on every play. He forces turnovers, and sticks his head in there on running plays. He's been one of the good things about this defense since he's come over. To apply that he's self absorbed because of this is kinda ridiculous. It's not like he layed on the field as Vick ran around dancing around his body, or said he wont play defense because he wanted to rush the passer.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

No. Emotional is slamming ones helmet on the sideline and/or letting an f bomb slip because of disappointment in oneself. That's just not what happened here.

It's about a player so sadly convinced that he IS the team that we get events like what happened last night far too often. Please don't respond to this if you're just going to brush off what happened as a non-issue. That's not objective.

I'm just curious to know how much of Hall's attitude may be fueled by the coaches. I'm not saying that the coaches cater to his bad habits, but I feel that for instance, Haslett has made an emphasis on getting more turnovers. And well, Hall has been the one that has been producing those turnover.

My point is, if he was such a BIG problem, wouldn't Shanahan or Haslett get on his face about it? I know Hall has a lot of flaws, and what makes him a playmaker (at times) also is his Achilles' heel. But if he was such an issue, wouldn't have Haslett or Shanahan stepped in and done something about him?

I won't easily dismiss what happened last night, but at the same time, our coaches would have been REALLY stupid to follow on his request in the heat of the moment.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But it's when you realize why he wanted THAT play challenged (as opposed to any others), that you really realize how self-absorbed he really is. His actions there can't be defended. He put himself ahead of the team.

I agree that was horrible by Hall. Second that was a perfect thrown ball, Hall had good coverage, just didnt get his head around. But that is no excuse for that play. He put himself ahead of the team. But dont try to compare D Hall to Albert, thats not close. Albert was the most defiant player ive ever seen a player and robbed the orgainization.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

No. Emotional is slamming ones helmet on the sideline and/or letting an f bomb slip because of disappointment in oneself. That's just not what happened here.

Hate isn't the right word here. My criticism is 100% rational and should not be dismissed because of who the player is. Haynesworth elicits an emotional response from you, but he never, ever did something so self absorbed as to delay the game after blowing his assignment. He simply never disrespected the game like that.

I'd like to take back the Haynesworth-Hall comparison. They're very different people, very different players, and a very different kind of selfish. So forget I named dropped Haynesworth. This isn't about him.

It's about a player so sadly convinced that he IS the team that we get events like what happened last night far too often. Please don't respond to this if you're just going to brush off what happened as a non-issue. That's not objective.

It was a misguided attempt and I highly doubt that ever happens in the regular season. Idc about it too much because it's preseason. Better to do it now then when the games actually count. As far as the him thinking highly of himself thing, well yeah. He does put too much stock in the plays he makes versus the plays he gives up. It's unfortunate but we are going to have to live with it. It's not in our hands and if the coaching staff had a problem with it he'd have been cut or traded.