Joe Gibbs and Veteran QB's

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I would also say the 87 team was simply great coaching as well because that was not one of the better Redskin Super Bowl teams. I remember the scab game when Dallas had a lot of their players cross the picket line... and play the final scab game. The Skins had 100% scabs and won the game because Gibbs and Pettibone simply out coached Dallas and Tom Landry. I remember Ed Rubbert (sp) got hurt and Tony Robinson, who had just gotten out of jail was running the wishbone. To me that was the best pure coaching I have ever seen. I think Danny White, Tony Dorsett and a few other starters managed like 7 points against our scab defense.

Dunno why the writers had to make the game in the movie so convoluted. The real game was exciting enough!

[irish]

Gibbs 1.0 was fantastic. Gibbs 2.0 was a disaster that the organization is only now getting out from under. You cant infer anything about Gibbs 1.0 by looking at Gibbs 2.0.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by irish

Gibbs 1.0 was fantastic. Gibbs 2.0 was a disaster that the organization is only now getting out from under. You cant infer anything about Gibbs 1.0 by looking at Gibbs 2.0.

If disasters make the playoffs in their final season as head coach, what does that make Zorn's tenure?

[MTK]

Yeah those two playoff appearances sure sucked.

[53Fan]

I certainly wasn't impressed with some of the trades that took place during Gibbs II but my gosh....the man was out of coaching for years. He came in to a team basically put together by bugeyed Vinny and Snyder. Our best player was murdered during the season. And in 2 of his 4 years here he led the team to the playoffs. If it was so damn easy how come we only went once between Gibbs I and II?

[SFREDSKIN]

What pisses me off is that Bill Walsh and the WestCoast offense get too much credit. The Redskins, Cowboys and Rams of the 80's and 90's won 7 SB championships using the Air Coryell offense. The Giants and Patriots use the Erhardt-Perkins offense and won 5 SB's (not counting sure Coughlin runs, otherwise it's 7).

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

What pisses me off is that Bill Walsh and the WestCoast offense get too much credit. The Redskins, Cowboys and Rams of the 80's and 90's won 7 SB championships using the Air Coryell offense. The Giants and Patriots use the Erhardt-Perkins offense and won 5 SB's (not counting sure Coughlin runs, otherwise it's 7).

How many SB's do u think a WC based team has won? The Walsh coaching tree is arguably the most influential and deepest of them all.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mooby

If disasters make the playoffs in their final season as head coach, what does that make Zorn's tenure?

How dare you besmirch the Slip 'n Slide Express! The swinging gate will rise again!

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

How many SB's do u think a WC based team has won? The Walsh coaching tree is arguably the most influential and deepest of them all.

You mean Paul Brown if you want to get down to it.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Man, remember the 5 INTs on his birthday against Dallas to open the season? Or "The Punt" against Chicago?

The only guy who really never fell in Gibbs' good graces was Stan Humphries. Which is too bad because I always kind of liked Stan. But Stan was a bit of an underachiever

Don't sell Stan short, Stan was a massive underachiever.
Stan had the body of a doughnut eating, video game playing softy. If Stan had a little bit of work ethic he would have been a great player.

Having said that I remember early on in Stan's Redskins career, Joe Gibbs saying Stan had a bright future and complimenting him in training camp. I remember being excited to finally seeing Stan play because Gibbs had talked him up.

[irish]

Originally Posted by mooby

If disasters make the playoffs in their final season as head coach, what does that make Zorn's tenure?

Sure they make a playoff appearance but Gibbs gave away the farm draft pick wise and gave away the future. That playoff appearance had waaaaay more to do with the emotion over ST's death than anything Gibbs did.

Zorn's tenure was a total joke.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Don't sell Stan short, Stan was a massive underachiever.
Stan had the body of a doughnut eating, video game playing softy. If Stan had a little bit of work ethic he would have been a great player.

Having said that I remember early on in Stan's Redskins career, Joe Gibbs saying Stan had a bright future and complimenting him in training camp. I remember being excited to finally seeing Stan play because Gibbs had talked him up.

I guess I have a short term memory with Stan Humphries only because it seems he had his best time of his career with San Diego right around the worst time to be a Washington Redskins fan. Grass is always greener on the other side, but I would have taken Stan Humphries over John Friesz or Heath Shuler.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I guess I have a short term memory with Stan Humphries only because it seems he had his best time of his career with San Diego right around the worst time to be a Washington Redskins fan. Grass is always greener on the other side, but I would have taken Stan Humphries over John Friesz or Heath Shuler.

Yeah and we only got a fourth round pick in trading him away. In hindsight that was a massive fail.
Something happen in his relationship with Gibbs. Rypien was no stellar athlete either and before the 92 season Rypien was not very good in actual games. So before Rypien ha his break out 92 season I was surprised Stan could not beat out Rypien. I was partial to Stan over Rypien.
I am not sure what the issue was with Stan and Gibbs/FO?
I have always assumed it was Stan not working hard enough.?.?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

Sure they make a playoff appearance but Gibbs gave away the farm draft pick wise and gave away the future. That playoff appearance had waaaaay more to do with the emotion over ST's death than anything Gibbs did.

Zorn's tenure was a total joke.

Gibbs always succeeded at keeping the ship together and focused in times of adversity. I definitely think his leadership and guidance played a key part in that season.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by irish

Gibbs 1.0 was fantastic. Gibbs 2.0 was a disaster that the organization is only now getting out from under. You cant infer anything about Gibbs 1.0 by looking at Gibbs 2.0.

I am just wondering, if Gibbs 2.0 was a disaster, what was Spurrier/Snyder/Cerrato? Is there something worse than disaster? Gibbs 2.0 inherited one of the all time worst Redskins teams in the history of the Redskins and made them a playoff team.