Heath Miller-Trade up question

[John Hasbrouck]

I don't think we get better than a 5th rd. pick for Gardner-he is such a bust.Probably won't go anywhere.

[BossHog]

C'mon now. Name a WR in this year's draft who'll probably be drafted in the 3rd round or lower who's a better prospect than Gardner is as a starter. He's durable and you know exactly what he can do against bonafide NFL competiton. Teams better wise up in a hurry. It'll be too late when they find out their rookie 1st or 2nd round selection isn't ready for the big league... this year.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by BossHog

C'mon now. Name a WR in this year's draft who'll probably be drafted in the 3rd round or lower who's a better prospect than Gardner is as a starter. He's durable and you know exactly what he can do against bonafide NFL competiton. Teams better wise up in a hurry. It'll be too late when they find out their rookie 1st or 2nd round selection isn't ready for the big league... this year.

Yes but you know Gardner is inconsistent and he costs $2 million a year and wants an extension for more money. If you're going to draft a WR in the 3rd round, at least he has the potential to be solid and he won't even cost
$1 million per year. You have to factor the $ into the equation. I think a 4th rounder sounds about right for Gardner, you could make a case for a 3rd. A second rounder is impossible in my opinion.

[John Hasbrouck]

If we get offered a 4th for Gardner we best grab it

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yes but you know Gardner is inconsistent and he costs $2 million a year and wants an extension for more money. If you're going to draft a WR in the 3rd round, at least he has the potential to be solid and he won't even cost
$1 million per year. You have to factor the $ into the equation. I think a 4th rounder sounds about right for Gardner, you could make a case for a 3rd. A second rounder is impossible in my opinion.

2 mil a year is cheap and there will be someone who sees that Gardner is probably more naturally talented than all the WRs this year other than the top 3 or 4. I would agree his pending contract situation is somewhat of a turn off but He will not command marquee money by any strecht so it is not that big a deal. We'll get a 3rd for him.

I would also say Gardner IS a solid WR. He is simply not a 1st round pick type production guy. Drafting a WR in the 3rd round MAY net you a SOLID WR and it may net you a training camp cut...you have no idea. At least with Gardner you know you are getting a guy with experience, talent and a 1000 yd season under his belt. Seems better to me than any crapshoot WR you're gonna get in the 3rd.

[FRPLG]

Reminder: Cliff Russell was a 3rd round pick for us. Sucess of 3rd round WR is a lot lower than you'd expect. If I had a need for a possession reciever and all it was gonna cost was a 3rd round pick to get a guy with size, strength, work ethic and a 1000 yd season I would jump at it. That being said he needs to move on from the Skins. He isn't what we need and all the acrimony around Coles and him makes it best if eh leaves anyways.

[56FAN]

i would like them to get hammer to run the ball for the real tough yards, touchdown dives and to close out games. someone like duckett with falcons or like gerald riggs in gibss first run. i believe they could pick this up in later rounds. if they decide to go after miller or williamson then they should definetly trade down. i like portis but the fact is brown out of auburn is my kind of back. guys like him don't come around very often. i can wish can't i?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

2 mil a year is cheap and there will be someone who sees that Gardner is probably more naturally talented than all the WRs this year other than the top 3 or 4. I would agree his pending contract situation is somewhat of a turn off but He will not command marquee money by any strecht so it is not that big a deal. We'll get a 3rd for him.

I would also say Gardner IS a solid WR. He is simply not a 1st round pick type production guy. Drafting a WR in the 3rd round MAY net you a SOLID WR and it may net you a training camp cut...you have no idea. At least with Gardner you know you are getting a guy with experience, talent and a 1000 yd season under his belt. Seems better to me than any crapshoot WR you're gonna get in the 3rd.

Do solid WRs drop clutch passes? Sorry, calling Gardner solid just doesn't make sense. If he really were a solid, dependable starter, he'd garner more than a 3rd or 4th round pick in a trade. I don't think there's a team out there who feels he is worth more than a 3rd rounder; and you yourself state that a 3rd rounder usually produces a speculative grade guy. That 1000 yard season was 2 years ago, what have you done for me lately?

The bottom line is Gibbs doesn't feel like he can trust Gardner in key situations because he's so consistent. Don't talk about Gardner's stats and all that crap, I don't care if he's had a 1000 yard season. The bottom line is he can't be trusted to get it done in crunch time because you can't depend on him to hold onto the ball.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Reminder: Cliff Russell was a 3rd round pick for us. Sucess of 3rd round WR is a lot lower than you'd expect. If I had a need for a possession reciever and all it was gonna cost was a 3rd round pick to get a guy with size, strength, work ethic and a 1000 yd season I would jump at it. That being said he needs to move on from the Skins. He isn't what we need and all the acrimony around Coles and him makes it best if eh leaves anyways.

I realize a 3rd rounder is not likely to yield a superstar. For every Laveraneus Coles (3rd rounder) there are 10 Cliff Russells. But $2 million is a lot more expensive than $380K, more than 5 times.

Besides, whoever said we'd take a WR with that 3rd rounder? You can get good players in the 3rd round at lots of positions, Chris Cooley comes to mind.

The pick we get in return for Gardner isn't even the main benefit from trading him though. The main benefit is the cap room we'll save. That's why we should be happy with a 3rd rounder, anything higher than that is completely unrealistic.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The bottom line is Gibbs doesn't feel like he can trust Gardner in key situations because he's so consistent.

Sorry, meant to say inconsistent.

[Monksdown]

I agree. In our offense, when we pass the ball, the most important thing is that their route running is accurate, and that they catch the ball. In an error free offense like Gibb's wants, they have to catch the ball. And route running is important, because Patrick needs to know where they will be before he releases the ball. It's about timing in successfull offenses.

[gibbsisgod]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

I agree. In our offense, when we pass the ball, the most important thing is that their route running is accurate, and that they catch the ball. In an error free offense like Gibb's wants, they have to catch the ball. And route running is important, because Patrick needs to know where they will be before he releases the ball. It's about timing in successfull offenses.

yea and even though they may be short routes. they set up very good 3rd and shorts. if the guys would just catch the ball than who knows how good this offence could have been

[Monksdown]

third and shorts are a joke if you have a solid line and a receivers that can turn around and catch the ball efficiently.