Why I'm Not Gonna Panic About Our QB

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

What does he do well? Put on the tape from 2012. Check tape from 2013 (it wasn't all bad considering the circumstances).

I know what he did well but what's he doing well now? He's not even close to the same player he was in 2012 (because if he was we wouldn't be having this discussion) and he did do some good things in 2013 but so far in 2014 he seems to be struggling with everything.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by irish

I know what he did well but what's he doing well now? He's not even close to the same player he was in 2012 (because if he was we wouldn't be having this discussion) and he did do some good things in 2013 but so far in 2014 he seems to be struggling with everything.

i think he is the same player. what happened in 2012 was a beautiful piece of coaching and scheming that constantly had RG3s first read wide open, a deadly PA bc of the read option/pistol formation and alfmo excelling at running the zone read.

until RG3 learns to see the field better, he needs to have the offense dialed down for him - i.e. only have him scan half the field on any given passing play. its unrealistic to expect him to see/read the entire field.

he is the same player as 2012 imo in terms of explosiveness/intangibles but he is being used/coached differently. but it is only preseason so who knows how he really will be used come reg season.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by irish

What is RG3 doing well right now? From what I have seen its not much but like I said, there's still time to get thing ironed out. I'd really like to see him play at least a quarter in the final preseason game because it seems like he needs the live action reps.

BTW, all this QB controversy is baloney. There is no QB controversy because the Skins didnt give up all those draft pick for RG3 to not play. RG3 is the QB until something catastrophic happens.

Like I said earlier, we didn't see what he does well in the preseason. There were very few, if any bubble screens, no play action, no rollouts, no misdirection. Every pass he threw was a designed pocket play. Maybe, just maybe, that was so Gruden can evaluate the line, and Griffin's pocket awareness. There will be plays where Griffin has to stand in the pocket and deliver, but at least at first, I doubt that will be our primary offensive plan. We should see heavy run and play action in the early downs, and rollouts and bubble screens on 2nd/3rd intermediate downs.

[scowan]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

i think he is the same player. what happened in 2012 was a beautiful piece of coaching and scheming that constantly had RG3s first read wide open, a deadly PA bc of the read option/pistol formation and alfmo excelling at running the zone read.

until RG3 learns to see the field better, he needs to have the offense dialed down for him - i.e. only have him scan half the field on any given passing play. its unrealistic to expect him to see/read the entire field.

he is the same player as 2012 imo in terms of explosiveness/intangibles but he is being used/coached differently. but it is only preseason so who knows how he really will be used come reg season.

Ok so Devil's Advocate here, we all love the 2012 RG3 because of read-option and play action and misdirection and all the things that made RG3 a "force". NOW we can't play "2012 RG3 football" because he might get hurt. So we basically have to hamstring him and make him a pocket passer so he won't get hurt, but in all honestly maybe he is not an Andy Dalton pocket passer. So then what do you do? Cousins is a pocket passer. Yes he was playing with and against the 2nds but he looks good in an Andy Dalton offense.

Here is what I think, I think we see 5-10 read options on Sunday September 7th, we see more bootlegs, we see quick screens. I hope what happens is Gruden takes a look at RG3 and asks him "tell me 10 plays you really like, and lets run those!"

[Hijinx]

My biggest concern is that to improve you have to know you need to improve. RG3's attitude has not been, "I need to improve", it has been "I am great, but I am being held back by coaches, teammates, injury, haters, doubters, etc". Always excuses.

I just don't think he gets it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

My biggest concern is that to improve you have to know you need to improve. RG3's attitude has not been, "I need to improve", it has been "I am great, but I am being held back by coaches, teammates, injury, haters, doubters, etc". Always excuses.



I just don't think he gets it.

That's not reflected in how he works on and off the field. He puts in the time and effort, and the some.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Interesting quote from King's MMQB today.

There is a saying on the whiteboard in Rams general manager Les Snead’s office. “Build to dominate using Redskin picks!” it reads. The Rams made the mega-trade with Washington in 2012 that allowed their NFC neighbor to draft Robert Griffin III. The Rams, meanwhile, thought they had their quarterback of the future, and didn’t draft one until the sixth round this year in SMU’s Garrett Gilbert. And now those picks are gone.

Right now neither of these teams are loving life after that trade. I rather be the Skins then the Rams right now.

Yeah, there were a lot of talking heads clamoring in January and April about how badly the Rams beat us in that trade and all of the great picks they got as a result. Well they still don't have a QB, apparently the player they got at #2 (Robinson) hasn't looked good at all, not to mention they haven't even reached .500 since the trade. Let Kiper, McShay, etc. get all frothy over the number of picks, I'll take results.

That being said, I'd be lying to say I'm not disappointed in how Griffin has looked overall in the preseason. I know it's a work in progress and he has the benefit of a full offseason to improve. I think the Cleveland game (overall good with a couple glaring mistakes) will be more indicative of what we will see from him early on than the Baltimore game. I think the running game and defense will carry the 1st quarter of the season and Griffin will round into form around midseason.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

My biggest concern is that to improve you have to know you need to improve. RG3's attitude has not been, "I need to improve", it has been "I am great, but I am being held back by coaches, teammates, injury, haters, doubters, etc". Always excuses.

I just don't think he gets it.

What articles have you been reading.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

What articles have you been reading.

Ones like this.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by scowan

Ok so Devil's Advocate here, we all love the 2012 RG3 because of read-option and play action and misdirection and all the things that made RG3 a "force". NOW we can't play "2012 RG3 football" because he might get hurt. So we basically have to hamstring him and make him a pocket passer so he won't get hurt, but in all honestly maybe he is not an Andy Dalton pocket passer. So then what do you do? Cousins is a pocket passer. Yes he was playing with and against the 2nds but he looks good in an Andy Dalton offense.

Here is what I think, I think we see 5-10 read options on Sunday September 7th, we see more bootlegs, we see quick screens. I hope what happens is Gruden takes a look at RG3 and asks him "tell me 10 plays you really like, and lets run those!"

So generally speaking, I'm not sure how anyone who watched Cousins play in relief against Atlanta and Seattle as a rookie or in any of his starts last years can really consider that he's a better option at QB. He's played one good game (vs. Cleveland) and two good drives (vs. Baltimore) and otherwise has been mediocre. He's Rex Grossman 2.0 at best.

While nobody has seen our new offense overall, to expect it to be a bland, straight dropback offense is as foolish as expecting it to be a 2012 RG3 centric offense. I'd expect it to be lots of movement off of the run game, playaction with drop back elements and limited read option. Against the Texans, probably no read option plays because Watt and Clowney are beasts off of the edge so don't play into the strength of them potentially hitting your QB. Against the Jags in week 2, they don't have much in terms of DL studs so we can run some read option plays and keep them on their toes.

Too many people are focused on RG3 being a perfect QB on opening day. I'm much more interested on how he will be on December 8th than September 8th.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

So generally speaking, I'm not sure how anyone who watched Cousins play in relief against Atlanta and Seattle as a rookie or in any of his starts last years can really consider that he's a better option at QB. He's played one good game (vs. Cleveland) and two good drives (vs. Baltimore) and otherwise has been mediocre. He's Rex Grossman 2.0 at best.

While nobody has seen our new offense overall, to expect it to be a bland, straight dropback offense is as foolish as expecting it to be a 2012 RG3 centric offense. I'd expect it to be lots of movement off of the run game, playaction with drop back elements and limited read option. Against the Texans, probably no read option plays because Watt and Clowney are beasts off of the edge so don't play into the strength of them potentially hitting your QB. Against the Jags in week 2, they don't have much in terms of DL studs so we can run some read option plays and keep them on their toes.

Too many people are focused on RG3 being a perfect QB on opening day. I'm much more interested on how he will be on December 8th than September 8th.

And you can judge this by 4 starts? He's hit his ceiling already?? Ok.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

And you can judge this by 4 starts? He's hit his ceiling already?? Ok.

It's like judging RGIII on his 20 preseason throws.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

And you can judge this by 4 starts? He's hit his ceiling already?? Ok.

It's at least as wise as questioning if we should make a change based on one drive, one quarter and one half.

There's also a reason that Cousins was a 4th round pick and he's not generated much interest around the league.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's like judging RGIII on his 20 preseason throws.

But that was different. 1 bad year coming off injury and 3 lackluster preseason starts mean that his career is shot.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Ones like this.

Maybe I'm wrong but the reporter who wrote that article aren't they friends with MS.