Griffin Out For Undetermined Time, It's Cousins Time

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

By now we know that RGIII is out for several weeks with that dislocated ankle suffered against the Jags. With ligament damage unclear, it's likely between 4-8 weeks before we see him again..

Personally, I wouldn't even give a thought to bringing him back before the bye week, meaning at the high end of the 8 week recovery scale.

In the meantime, what are your expectations of Kirk Cousins as our starter?

Does he build on the Jacksonville game and take the reins enough to make it tough for Gruden to go back to Griffin?

Does he do some good, some bad and leave enough question that they should go back to the 'starter' when RG is healthy?

Does he repeat his 2013 performance when given a chance to start and cement his place as a backup?

I want to see Kirk minimize the turnovers. That's the only knock on him. For a guy who's only started 4 games, he looks awesome at times. If he can show that he can protect the ball better, he should at least prove he can be an effective starter in this league.

And I think it's entirely realistic to think a young player with only 4 starts under his belt can get better at ball security. I think before the end of the season, he'll also demonstrate the ability to call out protections and make changes at the line of scrimmage.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

I want to see Kirk minimize the turnovers. That's the only knock on him. For a guy who's only started 4 games, he looks awesome at times. If he can show that he can protect the ball better, he should at least prove he can be an effective starter in this league.

And I think it's entirely realistic to think a young player with only 4 starts under his belt can get better at ball security. I think before the end of the season, he'll also demonstrate the ability to call out protections and make changes at the line of scrimmage.

Good luck with that.

IMO Kirk is like Grossman and Favre: one of his best qualities is his aggression. And one of his worst qualities is his aggression. And because aggression got him where he is, that problematic aggression is not going away.

Also, please note that while Kirk may have only 4 starts, he is in his third year. It's not like he's had no time to develop like Aaron Rodgers did.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Good luck with that.

IMO Kirk is like Grossman and Favre: one of his best qualities is his aggression. And one of his worst qualities is his aggression. And because aggression got him where he is, that problematic aggression is not going away.

Also, please note that while Kirk may have only 4 starts, he is in his third year. It's not like he's had no time to develop like Aaron Rodgers did.

Drew Brees plays w/ aggression. He's doing OK.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Drew Brees plays w/ aggression. He's doing OK.

Not the same. Every QB needs some aggression. Let me rephrase: Favre, Grossman, and Cousins play with reckless aggression. And, as we saw with Favre and Grossman, the negative part never goes away.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Not the same. Every QB needs some aggression. Let me rephrase: Favre, Grossman, and Cousins play with reckless aggression. And, as we saw with Favre and Grossman, the negative part never goes away.

For someone to truly understand reckless aggression they must first read this article.

F--k It. I'm Throwing It Downfield. | Kissing Suzy Kolber

Warning lots of bad language, though maybe I should put that above the link so I can be sure people are see it before the click a of the story......nah bad that be of not. English mine fire on today.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Not the same. Every QB needs some aggression. Let me rephrase: Favre, Grossman, and Cousins play with reckless aggression. And, as we saw with Favre and Grossman, the negative part never goes away.

Too early to come to that conclusion with Cousins. Most young QBs struggle with turnovers and many of them correct it and move on. And sign me up for Favre. I'll gladly take 15 years of that.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Not the same. Every QB needs some aggression. Let me rephrase: Favre, Grossman, and Cousins play with reckless aggression. And, as we saw with Favre and Grossman, the negative part never goes away.

So you're saying KC is going to play with reckless aggression after 4 starts? Last week RG3 had Swearinger blitzing on a boot pass, Rg3 saw him, did nothing, stood there and took a bad sack. KC had that same play sun, saw that it was a bad play, threw it at Helu's legs for an incomplete pass, saving the yards. So, is RG3 going to keep taking bad sacks the rest of his career? Is he going to keep fumbling also?

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Good luck with that.

IMO Kirk is like Grossman and Favre: one of his best qualities is his aggression. And one of his worst qualities is his aggression. And because aggression got him where he is, that problematic aggression is not going away.

Also, please note that while Kirk may have only 4 starts, he is in his third year. It's not like he's had no time to develop like Aaron Rodgers did.

Rodgers played behind a first ballot hall of famer and is on his way to the hall fame as well. He's the exception, not the rule. I think you're expecting too much if you're setting the bar at Aaron Rodgers. Third year or not, nothing compares to game reps and Cousins, like everyone not named Aaron Rodgers, should benefit from live game experience.

Teams should hire you for your super-human ability to identify the incurable disease of aggression. It would save them $millions in bad draft picks.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Rodgers played behind a first ballot hall of famer and is on his way to the hall fame as well. He's the exception, not the rule. I think you're expecting too much if you're setting the bar at Aaron Rodgers. Third year or not, nothing compares to game reps and Cousins, like everyone not named Aaron Rodgers, should benefit from live game experience.

Teams should hire you for your super-human ability to identify the incurable disease of aggression. It would save them $millions in bad draft picks.

You missed my point. I am not saying Cousins will be Rodgers.

The point is that Cousins has had more time on the bench to develop than other good starters had at the start of their careers, so saying, "Cousins hasn't had a chance to develop" is simply not true.

[SirLK26]

If the defense keeps playing well and we stay reasonably healthy through the rest of the season, Cousins should do okay. Gruden so far has been much better than the Shannys in terms of game planning. Plus, with these receivers we have, all he has to do is keep doing what he did against the Jags: make quick decisions and throw a catchable ball.

Long-term, I'm not so quick to jump off the Griffin train, but Cousins is a guy that's extremely easy to root for. Not only for his come-off-the-bench play, but also his humility and likeable personality.

We'll probably head into the offseason with a fairly good idea on who our "QB of the future" is. I think Griffin will be the guy.

[Chico23231]

44, it's a legit question. The ceiling option is valid since no one traded for him this offseason. It's based on perceived opinion from other organization who need qb. I'll put u down for option 2

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

44, it's a legit question. The ceiling option is valid since no one traded for him this offseason. It's based on perceived opinion from other organization who need qb. I'll put u down for option 2

The Chargers were done with Brees after 2 seasons and 30 plus starts. I'm not ready to pass judgement on Cousins yet, but I think he looks better than most after only a handful of starts. The Browns, Falcons and yesterday's games were all impressive. The other 2 were stinkers. But he's shown enough to be encouraged by his potential.

And I put zero stock in NFL talent evaluators when it comes to the QB position. Grading QBs is a complete mystery, and it wouldn't surprise me if everyone missed on Cousins just like they have with countless QBs before him.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

The Chargers were done with Brees after 2 seasons and 30 plus starts. I'm not ready to pass judgement on Cousins yet, but I think he looks better than most after only a handful of starts. The Browns, Falcons and yesterday's games were all impressive. The other 2 were stinkers. But he's shown enough to be encouraged by his potential.



And I put zero stock in NFL talent evaluators when it comes to the QB position. Grading QBs is a complete mystery, and it wouldn't surprise me if everyone missed on Cousins just like they have with countless QBs before him.

Countless?? I count 2. Romo and Brady, only two starting QB's in the NFL undrafted. Majority are 1st and 2nd rounders. Occasional 3rd rounder like Wilson or Foles. He fell to the fourth for a reason, there are flaws in his game. As you mentioned with Brees sometimes it doesn't even work with your first team. It's all about being in the right situation at the right time. I don't think, and I hope Kirk has not come close to reaching his ceiling.

He has his opportunity now, and sounds like he will have it for around 8-10 weeks. Really curious to see how everything shakes out come the bye week.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

Countless?? I count 2. Romo and Brady, only two starting QB's in the NFL undrafted. Majority are 1st and 2nd rounders. Occasional 3rd rounder like Wilson or Foles. He fell to the fourth for a reason, there are flaws in his game. As you mentioned with Brees sometimes it doesn't even work with your first team. It's all about being in the right situation at the right time. I don't think, and I hope Kirk has not come close to reaching his ceiling.

He has his opportunity now, and sounds like he will have it for around 8-10 weeks. Really curious to see how everything shakes out come the bye week.

Brady was drafted in the 6th round QB

[over the mountain]

I love what Cousins brings - good pocket presence, reads the field well, uses his eyes to look off defenders, above average accuracy. to me it looks like he has a slightly weak arm and twill occasionally try to put some "ummph" on the ball and lose some accuracy.

but that is what cousins is. at best - decent starter. at worst - good backup.

this is RG3's team. period in my book. If RG3 didnt get injured, i think it is still a blow out.

RG3 can lead you to a Superbowl, cousins can get you to .500.

i just wish we could morph them into 1 player. they are so ying-yang to me. but RG3 is the incredible athlete, RG3 is the game breaker .... freaking injuries can derail a legend in the making thoo .....