Skins-Vikes Post game good & bad

[CRedskinsRule]

SF before half yesterday:
1st and 10 at SF 32 (:58) (Shotgun) C.Kaepernick pass short left to B.Lloyd ran ob at SF 42 for 10 yards. 0-yds YAC
1st and 10 at SF 42 (:54) (Shotgun) C.Kaepernick pass short middle to A.Boldin to SL 47 for 11 yards (L.Joyner). Caught at SF 46. 7-yds YAC
1st and 10 at STL 47 (:30) (No Huddle, Shotgun) C.Kaepernick pass short right to V.Davis to SL 34 for 13 yards (E.Gaines, J.Laurinaitis). Caught at SL 37. 3-yds YAC
Timeout #2 by SF at 00:23.

at end of game:
1st and 10 at SF 12 (3:11) (Shotgun) C.Kaepernick pass short left to S.Johnson to SF 37 for 25 yards (L.Joyner; R.McLeod). Caught at SF 22. 15-yds YAC 13 10
1st and 10 at SF 37 (2:38) (No Huddle, Shotgun) C.Kaepernick pass incomplete short right to S.Johnson.
2nd and 10 at SF 37 (2:34) (Shotgun) C.Kaepernick pass short right to A.Boldin to SF 45 for 8 yards (R.McLeod). Caught at SF 40. 5-yds YAC
3rd and 2 at SF 45 (2:01) (No Huddle, Shotgun) C.Kaepernick pass incomplete short left to M.Crabtree. PENALTY on SL-L.Joyner, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at SF 45 - No Play.

Seattle before half yesterday:
1st and 20 at SEA 12 (3:26) (Shotgun) M.Lynch right tackle to SEA 21 for 9 yards (P.Sims; S.Moore). 3 17
2nd and 11 at SEA 21 (2:49) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to M.Lynch to SEA 24 for 3 yards (M.Burris).
Timeout #1 by OAK at 02:33.
3rd and 8 at SEA 24 (2:33) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle to L.Willson to SEA 40 for 16 yards (D.Hayden).
1st and 10 at SEA 40 (2:06) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete deep right to P.Richardson [J.Tuck].
Two-Minute Warning
2nd and 10 at SEA 40 (2:00) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to M.Lynch pushed ob at OAK 17 for 43 yards (D.Hayden). PENALTY on SEA-P.Richardson, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at OAK 43.
2nd and 3 at SEA 47 (1:50) R.Wilson pass short right to J.Kearse to OAK 49 for 4 yards (D.Hayden). PENALTY on OAK-D.Hayden, Taunting, 15 yards, enforced at OAK 49.
1st and 10 at OAK 34 (1:40) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to D.Baldwin pushed ob at OAK 29 for 5 yards (T.Brown).
2nd and 5 at OAK 29 (1:25) (Shotgun) R.Turbin up the middle to OAK 22 for 7 yards (K.Mack).
1st and 10 at OAK 22 (1:09) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short left to R.Turbin pushed ob at OAK 8 for 14 yards (T.Carrie).
1st and 8 at OAK 8 (1:03) (Shotgun) R.Wilson left end pushed ob at OAK 5 for 3 yards (T.Brown).

Pitt before half last night:
1st and 10 at PIT 20 (1:44) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short middle to A.Brown pushed ob at PIT 37 for 17 yards (D.Stewart).
1st and 10 at PIT 37 (1:38) B.Roethlisberger pass incomplete short left to L.Bell. Coverage 57-Mosley.
2nd and 10 at PIT 37 (1:32) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short middle to L.Moore to PIT 41 for 4 yards (W.Hill).
3rd and 6 at PIT 41 (1:09) (No Huddle, Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short left to L.Bell to BLT 47 for 12 yards (C.Mosley).
Timeout #2 by PIT at 01:01.
1st and 10 at BAL 47 Markus Wheaton 47 Yd pass from Ben Roethlisberger (Brad Wing Pass to Matt Spaeth for Two-Point Conversion) 10 22
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8-12 yds is what you need for moving the chains, not a random number. I believe, and would be willing to look at the stats, that when teams get the ball around their 30 with 1 - 2 minutes left and timeouts remaining, most teams and great qb's/OC's will start with some intermediate - move the chain - type throws, then once you are around the 50, you can take a shot or two and still get to field goal range.

[hagams]

My head hurts. Our team is so hit or miss I have no clue what is happening. One drive our secondary looks like hall of famers, the next it looks like garbage. "Communication" issues is a cover up for someone f@cked up. Its time to hold people responsible.

For real though, DJax is a monster.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Reed didn't have a big impact because he was targeted once. And without even rewatching the game, I can pretty much guarantee that he was open just about evey time. Not his fault that RG didn't look his way.

I haven't rewatched the game either, but Cooley and the guys on the radio saw it differently. They said Zimmer knew Reed was RG's fallback option and they had him shadowed most of the night.

RG definitely over-targets Reed in trouble situations, so this probably added to his hesitation in the pocket.

[SirLK26]

^Okay, thanks. Well, if that's true, I'm glad RG didn't force anything. I just know Reed usually gets open about 95% of the time...

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Disagree. Couldn't count the number of times I've seen Brady (especially), Rogers, Brees, and Mannings huck the ball downfield in exactly these situations. That's the whole point, if there's a turnover 30 yards downfield the opponent has more ground to cover. Especially when you've got Desean Jackson catching passes, right?

LOL where does the 8-12 yard exactitude come from? Wait, if it's 13-20 you might have an argument hehe

I know I locked onto this for some reason, but in the last close game Brady played (against the Jets) this was the end of half drive:
1st and 10 at NE 26 (:55) (Shotgun) PENALTY on NYJ-J.Babin, Neutral Zone Infraction, 5 yards, enforced at NE 26 - No Play.
1st and 5 at NE 31 (:55) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short left to R.Gronkowski.
2nd and 5 at NE 31 (:51) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to B.LaFell pushed ob at NE 36 for 5 yards (D.Walls).
1st and 10 at NE 36 (:46) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass deep left to R.Gronkowski to NYJ 44 for 20 yards (D.Davis; C.Pryor) [M.Wilkerson].
1st and 10 at NYJ 44 (:38) (No Huddle, Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short left to R.Gronkowski [S.Richardson].
2nd and 10 at NYJ 44 (:34) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short left to S.Vereen.
3rd and 10 at NYJ 44 (:29) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete deep right to D.Amendola. PENALTY on NYJ-A.Allen, Defensive Pass Interference, 32 yards, enforced at NYJ 44 - No Play.
1st and 10 at NYJ 12 (:23) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right to J.Edelman.
2nd and 10 at NYJ 12 (:17) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass incomplete short right [A.Barnes]. thrown away from outside the pocket PENALTY on NE-J.Devey, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at NYJ 12.
3rd and 25 at NYJ 27 (:11) S.Vereen left end pushed ob at NYJ 21 for 6 yards (A.Allen).
4th and 19 at NYJ 21 (:05) S.Gostkowski 39 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-D.Aiken, Holder-R.Allen.

or at half against Buffalo (score is NE 10, Buf 7)
1st and 10 at NE 42 (:52) (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short left to S.Vereen to NE 45 for 3 yards (M.Dareus, J.Hughes). Caught at NE 36. 10 7
2nd and 7 at NE 45 (:30) T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to R.Gronkowski. Overthrown, receiver at 50.
3rd and 7 at NE 45 (:30) (Shotgun) T.Brady sacked at NE 39 for -6 yards (Ma.Williams).
Timeout #1 by BUF at 00:20.
4th and 13 at NE 39 (:20) R.Allen punts 31 yards to BUF 30, Center-D.Aiken, out of bounds.
Timeout #3 by NE at 00:14.

or maybe Green Bay: vs Miami, end of 4th quarter:
1st and 10 at GB 40 (2:04) (Shotgun) J.Starks left tackle to MIA 48 for 12 yards (R.Jones). 20 24
Two-Minute Warning - note the run came before the 2min, so they didn't need to use a timeout
1st and 10 at MIA 48 (1:57) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to J.Starks pushed ob at MIA 47 for 1 yard (P.Wheeler).
2nd and 9 at MIA 47 (1:49) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short left to A.Quarless.
3rd and 9 at MIA 47 (1:44) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers sacked at MIA 48 for -1 yards (sack split by O.Vernon and C.Wake). FUMBLES (O.Vernon), recovered by GB-T.Lang at MIA 48. T.Lang to MIA 48 for no gain (C.McCain).
Timeout #2 by MIA at 01:07.
4th and 10 at MIA 48 (1:07) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass deep right to J.Nelson ran ob at MIA 30 for 18 yards. - at midfield on 4th down
1st and 10 at MIA 30 (1:00) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete deep right to J.Starks [J.Wilson].
2nd and 10 at MIA 30 (:53) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short middle to J.Nelson.
3rd and 10 at MIA 30 (:48) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short middle to J.Starks to MIA 20 for 10 yards (J.Jenkins).
1st and 10 at MIA 20 (:30) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short left to R.Cobb to MIA 16 for 4 yards (B.Grimes).
2nd and 6 at MIA 16 (:07) A.Rodgers pass short right to D.Adams to MIA 4 for 12 yards (C.Finnegan).
Timeout #3 by MIA at 00:06.
1st and 4 at MIA 4 (:06) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to A.Quarless for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN. M.Crosby extra point is GOOD, Center-B.Goode, Holder-T.Masthay.

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[Bangee7]

The Good:
Breeland
Morris
Tom Compton
Edit: ***Desean looked awesome again

The Bad-
Helu - he whiffed badly on at least 2 blocks - barely made contact
The Safeties and constant mix-ups

When you think about this game though, they played tough

Travel back from Dallas on Mon night, short week made even shorter by travelling out to Minny & then having the bus accident on the way.....all things considered, the deck was really stacked against them on this trip.

Hail!

[MTK]

Helu would be a great all around 3rd down back if he could block.

[Hog1]

Good....bad?
I'll post later after the rewind at 930

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Helu would be a great all around 3rd down back if he could block.

The team should bring Clinton Portis as a running backs blocking coach.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

The whole Snyder Hate thing is starting to drive me up a wall. Was he on the field at the Cowboys game?

Sure, he has an opinion about what he wants. Guy paid a bazillion dollars for the team, writes a few million in paychecks every week - you know what, he's entitled.

Does he emasculate his coach in prime time? Is he wheeling an injured RGIII around on the sideline like the Atlanta owner did with Vick way back when?

I am just not convinced that Snyder's "meddling" is anymore than most owners in this league.

Gruden held Griffin out, even though he was physically ready for the Cowboys game. If Snyder wanted to meddle, THAT was the time to meddle. Gruden said "Colt starts" and Colt started.

Gruden is going to get his opportunity. So far, so good. Fire Hazlett and so much the better.

vent over.

Admittedly, I don't read every post carefully, but are people STILL saying Snyder made Griff start?

If I'm going to throw my conspiracy theory out there, I think if anyone did, Allen did.

But this all seems silly, Griff is the #1, he needs to be starting anyway. I was hoping it wouldn't be until after the bye, but it is what it is. Dude played above average for having only played ONE game all year. So eh, f it.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Admittedly, I don't read every post carefully, but are people STILL saying Snyder made Griff start?

If I'm going to throw my conspiracy theory out there, I think if anyone did, Allen did.

But this all seems silly, Griff is the #1, he needs to be starting anyway. I was hoping it wouldn't be until after the bye, but it is what it is. Dude played above average for having only played ONE game all year. So eh, f it.

Honestly who hear thinks we would have won yesterday with Colt?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Honestly who hear thinks we would have won yesterday with Colt?

Thats an impossible question.
Edit/ Colt was probably feeling pretty confident after monday night. He gets the ball out quickly and understands the scheme. Of course Griff is the more athletic qb with the stronger arm etc etc.
Can you honestly say Colt would have lost the game? Im not saying one would have had a better chance than the other but I just dont think with everything going on rite now that its fair to say he would have won or lost. Who knows? Wish we could have a do over and find out. Lol.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Honestly who hear thinks we would have won yesterday with Colt?

Does he play defense?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Does he play defense?

He doesnt. He would fit rite in!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Honestly who hear thinks we would have won yesterday with Colt?

Colt Brennan would have won four Super Bowls by now!

oh, you mean that Colt...nevermind.