Redskins release WR Andre Roberts

[Irrefutable]

Roberts had plenty of opportunities to contribute. He did not help at all.

[MTK]

A little clarity regarding the cap, aka we don't need to cut Garçon.

According to www.OvertheCap.com the Redskins had $1.2 million in 2016 cap space prior to the Roberts move. If the June 1 designation was used, at the start of next month they will gain the $4 million from Roberts. They already are slated to add $8 million in cap space due to the release of Chris Culliver with a June 1 designation. That will send them into the summer with $13.2 million in cap space.

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[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by MTK

A little clarity regarding the cap, aka we don't need to cut Garçon.

According to Over the Cap - NFL Salary Cap, Player Contracts, and Related News and Analysis the Redskins had $1.2 million in 2016 cap space prior to the Roberts move. If the June 1 designation was used, at the start of next month they will gain the $4 million from Roberts. They already are slated to add $8 million in cap space due to the release of Chris Culliver with a June 1 designation. That will send them into the summer with $13.2 million in cap space.

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My statement was in the opinion if Doctson did very well in training camp and came in with the #2 spot in hand (or close to it). Would you pay a #3 WR 10million in cap? I surely wouldn't. I'd cut and use that carry over to help sign Kirk next year to a long term deal. That's the point, not if we have the cap space, but whether we should carry that unused space of his into next season. That would be shaving 8 mil off the cap this season, and carry that 8 mil (plus his contract coming off the books) into next season. Makes very nice if you have to sign a QB to a hefty contract. It's not like we're running a shortage of playmakers. I think I look at the cap much differently than many of you all. Am I suggesting cutting Garcon because he's worthless? Absolutely not. Am I suggesting we save some cap to carry over into next season. Most definitely. Mind you, this is all with the notion that our other WRs step up in camp.

It's not that of a far fetched idea or notion.

[metalskins]

Why would we cut Garcon by training camp? That's just as ridiculous as my dreams on tequila!

But what's not ridiculous is seeing Roberts cut. I still think he can be serviceable somewhere else, but he just didn't make it in D.C.

[That Guy]

yeah, roberts was post june 1 i believe, and garcon isn't going anywhere. next year, probably (since i think doctsun and crowder can play and DJ will probably get a new deal).

[Schneed10]

If you think Garcon should be gone then you don't understand football, injuries, or depth. Or basically anything.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If you think Garcon should be gone then you don't understand football, injuries, or depth. Or basically anything.

Oh yeah? Name the last time D.Jax didn't play a full season? Or the last time Crowder/Grant/Doctson didn't play like an elite player capable of fully replacing Garcon's production. Boom. Roasted.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by mooby

Oh yeah? Name the last time D.Jax didn't play a full season? Or the last time Crowder/Grant/Doctson didn't play like an elite player capable of fully replacing Garcon's production. Boom. Roasted.

Well they have never been on the field together at the same time. Grant has never played elite, and while Crowder could turn into an elite slot reciever he cant replace Garcon and his skill set as he doesnt even play that position. Doctson as good as he can be has never put cleats on a NFL game day field. So I fail to miss your Boom, Roasted point.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Well they have never been on the field together at the same time. Grant has never played elite, and while Crowder could turn into an elite slot reciever he cant replace Garcon and his skill set as he doesnt even play that position. Doctson as good as he can be has never put cleats on a NFL game day field. So I fail to miss your Boom, Roasted point.

Im pretty sure mooby was being sarcastic. Name the last time Djax didnt play a full season... All you have to go back to is the most recent season played.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Well they have never been on the field together at the same time. Grant has never played elite, and while Crowder could turn into an elite slot reciever he cant replace Garcon and his skill set as he doesnt even play that position. Doctson as good as he can be has never put cleats on a NFL game day field. So I fail to miss your Boom, Roasted point.

I want to respond seriously, but I don't want to continue this conversation. Also your last sentence reads like you understood my Boom/Roasted point, when I think you were trying to convey the opposite reaction.

Also, Skinzman, spot on good chap, spot on.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If you think Garcon should be gone then you don't understand football, injuries, or depth. Or basically anything.

Give me a fucking break. I realize many of the arm chair GMs here know it all, but I had the same shit thrown at me in regards to trading a shit load of picks for RG3. Guess who was wrong on that? Not me. You're acting like that Garcon and Djax are our only two weapons. In which case, I might agree with you. However, that's not the case. We have Davis, Reed, Doctson and Crowder. Just because I would rather carry over that unused cap doesn't make me ignorant to football, injuries or depth. It's a gamble. One I'd be willing to take. Because come next year, you might just be hating it if KC blows up. Then you'll be wanting that cap to help gobble up some of that 60+mil guaranteed he'll command.


For the record, I'm not suggesting we do cut him, just it very well could be an option for the Redskins come the end of training camp. It wouldn't surprise me one bit.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Give me a fucking break. I realize many of the arm chair GMs here know it all, but I had the same shit thrown at me in regards to trading a shit load of picks for RG3. Guess who was wrong on that? Not me. You're acting like that Garcon and Djax are our only two weapons. In which case, I might agree with you. However, that's not the case. We have Davis, Reed, Doctson and Crowder. Just because I would rather carry over that unused cap doesn't make me ignorant to football, injuries or depth. It's a gamble. One I'd be willing to take. Because come next year, you might just be hating it if KC blows up. Then you'll be wanting that cap to help gobble up some of that 60+mil guaranteed he'll command.


For the record, I'm not suggesting we do cut him, just it very well could be an option for the Redskins come the end of training camp. It wouldn't surprise me one bit.

My issue with cutting him is there is no benefit right now, we dont know what will happen with Doctson, we have never been a team that has been hurting in the salary cap tomorrow, and either he or Jackson will be gone next season so just let it go one more season.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Give me a fucking break. I realize many of the arm chair GMs here know it all, but I had the same shit thrown at me in regards to trading a shit load of picks for RG3. Guess who was wrong on that? Not me. You're acting like that Garcon and Djax are our only two weapons. In which case, I might agree with you. However, that's not the case. We have Davis, Reed, Doctson and Crowder. Just because I would rather carry over that unused cap doesn't make me ignorant to football, injuries or depth. It's a gamble. One I'd be willing to take. Because come next year, you might just be hating it if KC blows up. Then you'll be wanting that cap to help gobble up some of that 60+mil guaranteed he'll command.


For the record, I'm not suggesting we do cut him, just it very well could be an option for the Redskins come the end of training camp. It wouldn't surprise me one bit.

The only way carrying over Garcon's cap space makes any sense at all is if you think we'll have to cut a valuable player next year in order to make room for Cousins's contract.

And if you think we need to make such a cut, then you haven't looked at our cap situation next year.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The only way carrying over Garcon's cap space makes any sense at all is if you think we'll have to cut a valuable player next year in order to make room for Cousins's contract.

And if you think we need to make such a cut, then you haven't looked at our cap situation next year.

It's more of the notion if the emergence of Doctson/Crowder make him expendable. I like Garcon, but I'm a numbers kind of guy. I think salary caps eventually come to bite teams in the ass, especially if they have QBs who hamper their cap. The Ravens and Saints were at the mercy of their QBs because of the shit contracts they signed with made for bloated cap figures later on causing them to have to restructure them, which in turn gives them more money and kicks that cap can down the road. I don't want this team in that situation when we have a good core together.

I think Garcon's talent will have to be head and shoulders above Doctson/Crowder to justify a 10mil cap. Players have been cut for much much less. I'm fine either way to be honest with you. I have no qualms with keeping or cutting Garcon. To me, he's just too inconsistent for it to matter to me. The fact that DJ can't stay healthy will most likely make this a moot point anyway.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

It's more of the notion if the emergence of Doctson/Crowder make him expendable. I like Garcon, but I'm a numbers kind of guy. I think salary caps eventually come to bite teams in the ass, especially if they have QBs who hamper their cap. The Ravens and Saints were at the mercy of their QBs because of the shit contracts they signed with made for bloated cap figures later on causing them to have to restructure them, which in turn gives them more money and kicks that cap can down the road. I don't want this team in that situation when we have a good core together.

I think Garcon's talent will have to be head and shoulders above Doctson/Crowder to justify a 10mil cap. Players have been cut for much much less. I'm fine either way to be honest with you. I have no qualms with keeping or cutting Garcon. To me, he's just too inconsistent for it to matter to me. The fact that DJ can't stay healthy will most likely make this a moot point anyway.

I kind of stopped reading at the first sentence. If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass when he hops.

I'm not interested in taking a chance on depth at WR when we don't need Garcon's cap space carrying over into 2017.