WP Article March 31- Gardner Trade Speculation

offiss · 04-01-2004, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by raleighskinsfan

Ouch! Westbrook the 2nd is below the belt!

But which Baltimore player or players would you send those 2 in exchange for Offiss?

I would look for pick's, maybe we can throw something else in to sweetin the deal, feel them out, I am still trying to figure out a way to get both winslow and taylor. any deal that would help us climb the draft ladder to get that done.

dieselhog · 04-05-2004, 06:08 AM

We could rotate McCants and Jacobs as the number two...

OR - unless we have specific people in mind, hold on to RG until he is a free agent. His cap figure is not that big for a starting receiver.

joecrisp · 04-05-2004, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dieselhog

We could rotate McCants and Jacobs as the number two...

OR - unless we have specific people in mind, hold on to RG until he is a free agent. His cap figure is not that big for a starting receiver.

Both excellent points, dieselhog. I can definitely see Jacobs and McCants splitting time at #2, with McCants coming in for red zone situations.

But like you say, Gardner's cap numbers do not warrant a trade, and if they keep him he might finally blossom into the player they thought he could be.

mizzo skins man · 04-01-2004, 06:00 PM

The way I see it is Coles is our #1, Gardner is our #2, and now we have Thrash back in the house, he is #3. That to me sounds like a 2004 version of the three amigos. For those of you who don't know who the three amigos are, they Art Monk, Gary Clark, and Ricky Sanders. Keep what we got, It's all good.

Dave Butz Baby! · 04-01-2004, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mizzo skins man

The way I see it is Coles is our #1, Gardner is our #2, and now we have Thrash back in the house, he is #3. That to me sounds like a 2004 version of the three amigos. For those of you who don't know who the three amigos are, they Art Monk, Gary Clark, and Ricky Sanders. Keep what we got, It's all good.

Believe it or not (and only because I kept calling them that as well), the three amigos were actually the Bronco's receivers in '87 when we beat them in the Super Bowl.

I think they were Vance Johson, Mark Jackson, and Ricky Nattiel...

offiss · 04-01-2004, 06:26 PM

Thrash is a hard working hard nosed football player, who gives everything he has, but I see him as an occasional WR for us, I defiently feel jacob's will solidfy the #3 spot if not the 2 spot.

Redskins8588 · 04-01-2004, 06:31 PM

I always thought that Art Monk, Ricky Sanders, and Gary Clark were known as the Posse, I never heard of the three amigos used to nickname that trio

SkinsRock · 04-02-2004, 08:31 AM

Jacobs is still a question mark, but hearing that Gibbs seemed to be very impressed with him definitely says something. Same with Gibbs comparing McCants to Monk. To me, that's the writing on the wall that a trade with RG could, and probably will happen. Nothing against Gardner, he is a good receiver, and at this point better than the two of them (and probably Thrash too), but that's exactly why he has decent trade value.

Also, yes, a 3rd or 4th round pick is not an immediate starter, but any draft pick, trade acquisition, or FA pick-up is a risk as to whether they live up to potential or not, plus an injury could happen at any time. If the teams agree on a certain value for a player in a trade, then thats the risk they take.

Clark, Monk, and Sanders were the Posse. A new 4-man "Posse" of Coles, McCants, Thrash, and Jacobs sounds good to me! Let McCants, Thrash, and Jacobs compete for #2 and #3....

SkinsRock · 04-03-2004, 12:29 PM

Another thing, if Gardner gets traded before draft day, the chances of the Skins drafting Winslow go up, IMO. Another, better weapon on offense...

Jamaican'Skin · 04-04-2004, 10:31 AM

This may be true, but it really does not take away from the fact that we will still be full at the WR position. That really won't become one of our main needs. I think even if he is, we still have a high chance of getting Taylor.

SKINSnCANES · 04-04-2004, 03:37 PM

Ive got a feel that we shouldnt hold our breaths for a trade before traft day. My gut tells me that the Skins are going to keep quite and then there will be lots of surprises when Paul T. comes out to make announcements. He wants to have trade bait for draft day, and if he trades before then he wont have as much bait to DRAFT TAYLOR AND WINSLOW!!!

SKINSnCANES · 04-05-2004, 06:53 PM

The Skins give up on peopel to easy. We have a history of signing older players and getting nothing from them. RG is one of the players we have left that we drafted and are grooming, it would be a shame to get rid of him now and lose more youth and someone that might be a core skin that Gibbs is looking for. Id love to see us get Winslow and Taylor but I kinda want us to just draft one and get what we can for trotter and keep gardner and just see what our team can do

SkinsRock · 04-06-2004, 08:13 AM

The two players most people want to take over for RG, McCants and Jacobs, are both younger players that we have drafted and are grooming.

People want to trade Rod primarily for two reasons:
1) We have good depth at WR.
2) He has the most trade value of them (besides Coles, who isn't going ANYWHERE!).

BrudLee · 04-06-2004, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinsRock

The two players most people want to take over for RG, McCants and Jacobs, are both younger players that we have drafted and are grooming.

People want to trade Rod primarily for two reasons:
1) We have good depth at WR.
2) He has the most trade value of them (besides Coles, who isn't going ANYWHERE!).

His trade value is good, but since he is in a contract year, he is a "rental". He'll be a free agent next year, which is a double-edged sword. He's going to play his tail off, because his numbers will affect his contract, but it's a gamble to trade for him, because even though he'll play hard, he may leave next year.

Ade Jimoh Fan Club · 04-06-2004, 12:41 PM

The Rod Gardner plan is so very clear to me....

1) If we trade him, it will only get us a 4th rounder at best - that stinks and is not worth it. We can all agree on that...

2) If we keep him, we give Taylor & McCants another year to mature & develop.

3) As noted in the previous post, Gardner will play his ass off - so we can enjoy him having a "career year" - whatever that is for him.

4) If he's such hot shit this year - then we let some other team pick him up and pay the big bucks or we can resign him and suck it up (not likely). If he leaves, we'll have a ready Taylor & McCants in the wings to pick up the slack!

Let's hold onto Rod!!

04-01-2004, 06:00 PM	#4
mizzo skins man Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: St. Joseph Missouri Age: 49 Posts: 83	Keep em The way I see it is Coles is our #1, Gardner is our #2, and now we have Thrash back in the house, he is #3. That to me sounds like a 2004 version of the three amigos. For those of you who don't know who the three amigos are, they Art Monk, Gary Clark, and Ricky Sanders. Keep what we got, It's all good.

04-04-2004, 03:37 PM	#11
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 44 Posts: 5,455	Ive got a feel that we shouldnt hold our breaths for a trade before traft day. My gut tells me that the Skins are going to keep quite and then there will be lots of surprises when Paul T. comes out to make announcements. He wants to have trade bait for draft day, and if he trades before then he wont have as much bait to DRAFT TAYLOR AND WINSLOW!!! __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-05-2004, 06:53 PM	#12
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 44 Posts: 5,455	The Skins give up on peopel to easy. We have a history of signing older players and getting nothing from them. RG is one of the players we have left that we drafted and are grooming, it would be a shame to get rid of him now and lose more youth and someone that might be a core skin that Gibbs is looking for. Id love to see us get Winslow and Taylor but I kinda want us to just draft one and get what we can for trotter and keep gardner and just see what our team can do __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-05-2004, 06:08 AM	#2
dieselhog Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bolton, Lancashire Age: 54 Posts: 166	We could rotate McCants and Jacobs as the number two... OR - unless we have specific people in mind, hold on to RG until he is a free agent. His cap figure is not that big for a starting receiver.

04-01-2004, 06:26 PM	#6
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 61 Posts: 3,097	Thrash is a hard working hard nosed football player, who gives everything he has, but I see him as an occasional WR for us, I defiently feel jacob's will solidfy the #3 spot if not the 2 spot.

04-01-2004, 06:31 PM	#7
Redskins8588 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ridgway, PA Age: 47 Posts: 2,519	I always thought that Art Monk, Ricky Sanders, and Gary Clark were known as the Posse, I never heard of the three amigos used to nickname that trio

04-02-2004, 08:31 AM	#8
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 56 Posts: 907	Jacobs is still a question mark, but hearing that Gibbs seemed to be very impressed with him definitely says something. Same with Gibbs comparing McCants to Monk. To me, that's the writing on the wall that a trade with RG could, and probably will happen. Nothing against Gardner, he is a good receiver, and at this point better than the two of them (and probably Thrash too), but that's exactly why he has decent trade value. Also, yes, a 3rd or 4th round pick is not an immediate starter, but any draft pick, trade acquisition, or FA pick-up is a risk as to whether they live up to potential or not, plus an injury could happen at any time. If the teams agree on a certain value for a player in a trade, then thats the risk they take. Clark, Monk, and Sanders were the Posse. A new 4-man "Posse" of Coles, McCants, Thrash, and Jacobs sounds good to me! Let McCants, Thrash, and Jacobs compete for #2 and #3....

04-03-2004, 12:29 PM	#9
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 56 Posts: 907	Another thing, if Gardner gets traded before draft day, the chances of the Skins drafting Winslow go up, IMO. Another, better weapon on offense...

04-04-2004, 10:31 AM	#10
Jamaican'Skin The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Age: 39 Posts: 2,418	This may be true, but it really does not take away from the fact that we will still be full at the WR position. That really won't become one of our main needs. I think even if he is, we still have a high chance of getting Taylor.

04-06-2004, 08:13 AM	#13
SkinsRock Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Crofton, MD Age: 56 Posts: 907	The two players most people want to take over for RG, McCants and Jacobs, are both younger players that we have drafted and are grooming. People want to trade Rod primarily for two reasons: 1) We have good depth at WR. 2) He has the most trade value of them (besides Coles, who isn't going ANYWHERE!).

04-06-2004, 12:41 PM	#15
Ade Jimoh Fan Club Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 410	The Rod Gardner plan is so very clear to me.... 1) If we trade him, it will only get us a 4th rounder at best - that stinks and is not worth it. We can all agree on that... 2) If we keep him, we give Taylor & McCants another year to mature & develop. 3) As noted in the previous post, Gardner will play his ass off - so we can enjoy him having a "career year" - whatever that is for him. 4) If he's such hot shit this year - then we let some other team pick him up and pay the big bucks or we can resign him and suck it up (not likely). If he leaves, we'll have a ready Taylor & McCants in the wings to pick up the slack! Let's hold onto Rod!!

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