Thoughts on the game

[scowan]

Hey Guys here is my two sents on the game last night. First I agree with illdefined, when he said Portis and Cooley were Gone. Second everyone needs to remember that Arrington was not there and several other players on D were held out with minor dings. I would like to see our complete starters on the field before the Preseason is finished. The O-line is good, but without Portis, I wonder how much that hurts Ramsey. Maybe we don't need Ramsey to throw twice in every series if Portis is playing? Betts did fine, but we only ran the ball 20 times. Betts averaged 5 yards a carry. Do you think the Skins throw as much as they did last night if they average 5 yards a carry? I don't think so. I believe that Gibbs would have really been praising Ramsey if he had not thrown those 2 picks. Hey it is Preseason, so its OK! Ramsey just needs to learn from the experience.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Lost in all this is the fact that both QB's look miles better than they did at this point last year. This should make us feel a little better about things.

Marvelous point. The offense looks so much better as a whole. Bett's yards per carry were solid last night. The WRs are getting separation. There's no 8 man fronts to face. We're making mistakes, but the ball is moving. Which is lightyears ahead of where we were last year (making mistakes and standing still).

If you find yourself freaking out, take solace in two things:

1) The backbone of your offensive team is your offensive line, and so far our starters look great.

2) We play the Bears sans Rex Grossman in week 1, plus Cedric Benson still isn't in camp!

[Daseal]

One pass people seem to think about was that EndZone interception. While it was a bad throw, it was the exact right idea. If he put another 6 inches of air under that ball it's a pretty TD. The WR was wide alone in the corner he didn't put enough on it!

I'm still shaking at our 2nd CB position. Hell. Jimoh prolly played better than any CB last night. Carlos Rogers got burned, straight up flown by some CIN receiver. They toss a flag, bring it back, then CIN does the exact same thing -- TD. It really hurt. I don't know who we have that can cover those speed receivers we'll see. Springs isn't known for his speed, Rogers was getting run by, Harris is old. Will Wilds be our saving grace?

[BigSKINBauer]

any bengal fan that saw the game last year and the game this year must feel like we are all psyco

[Gmanc711]

My thoughts on the game are as follows....

Offensivley - Ramsey was inconsistent, but I feel better about him after this week than I do last week. I think you can teach dicison making, but you cant teach rythm. I think up until last night he had no rythm with the offense, which I think he showed last night. His desicon making needs to get alot better if he wants to succeed in the league. The obviously bad passes he should have grown out of by now, and I think Gibbs can get him in the right direction before seasons start. Overall, I feel better about Ramsey after this week than I did last week.
O-Line- Freaking stout. I'm very excited about this group.
Running game- We didnt run the ball enough with the starters (Betts) for me to know anything.

Overall offensivley, I was exicted to see us moving the ball. If we turn the ball over like we did last night, you can forget about it. However if we can cash in with even feild goals on all the possessions we were inside the fourty last night, we win the game I think. I feel better about this unit right now; and I'm excited to see how they do against last years #1 defense in Pittsburgh.

Defensivley- Our starters are awsome. Our backups not so much. Its dissapointing too, because alot of the "backups" I feel/felt could make a good impact this season. One guy I would like to focus on though for his good play is LaVar Arringtons backup Warrick Holdman. I shutter to think of the things Williams can do with this "backup".

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Daseal

One pass people seem to think about was that EndZone interception. While it was a bad throw, it was the exact right idea. If he put another 6 inches of air under that ball it's a pretty TD. The WR was wide alone in the corner he didn't put enough on it!

I'm still shaking at our 2nd CB position. Hell. Jimoh prolly played better than any CB last night. Carlos Rogers got burned, straight up flown by some CIN receiver. They toss a flag, bring it back, then CIN does the exact same thing -- TD. It really hurt. I don't know who we have that can cover those speed receivers we'll see. Springs isn't known for his speed, Rogers was getting run by, Harris is old. Will Wilds be our saving grace?

taylor has had real good luck with elite WRs so far... beats out moss for a jump ball (Deflected), gets an int covering CJ (last year) and stuffed him again on friday... and he's beat TO as well (an hit him in the head )

we'll be playing the top3 WRs again this year too (moss, TO, CJ)... weird how that works out.

[skinnyfan]

I know I started the bashing of Ramsey on this thread....but that doesn't mean I don't love what we've done with other parts of this team. I just think Ramsey is "not good" not even adequate and that is why I said we are going to live and die with Ramsey this year. I think we are going to win close games. We don't seem to have a team that is going to run away from people and put up huge offensive numbers. And when Ramsey decides to have an embolism and throw 2 very bad interceptions in a tight game.........we will lose. I don't know what the answer is........I don't think its Brunell but Campbell's contract is based on incentives starting the 2006 season if that tells you guys anything. I don't know the answer but Ramsey is not it.

[Kope]

I just think Ramsey is "not good" not even adequate

How does a guy go from 3-2 the last five games of a REAL season, one team needed to beat us to lock a playoff spot no less, to being not adaquate????

He had a 94.somthing QB rating over those games!

Much better to get twitterpated over 2 games that don't count

I think we are going to win close games. We don't seem to have a team that is going to run away from people and put up huge offensive numbers.

Winning close games is what champions do! Again in the last 5 games (a third of the season roughly) we pounded the gints and 9ers, and I think we all agree we are better on offense this year as a team. Who cares about fantasy football and offesive stats; wins count, stats don't.

The guy has earned the right to start at the begining of the REAL season, yet we forget so fast.

Remember - he is not Manning/Marino/Culpepper (what do they have in common? Great stats no SB wins!)...etc. But he can be Trent Dilfer, or Phil Simms. Heck Phil Simms had more INTs than TDs in 86...so what...The Gints won the Super Bowl in 86...take a look!

If we can run the ball at 5 yards a clip with a defense close to last years, I am not sure we even need a quarterback- just run the single wing and snap it to the RB.

Lets see how the real wins and losses shake out before we charge the castle w/ pitch forks and torches. It is one thing to say I am worried about PR throwing ints and another to say he is horrid or is a practice squad QB. Sounds like folks are listeng to Jim Rome or Sports Overnight ( :vomit-smi and :vomit-smi ) and taking it seriously.

sorry for the rant

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by dblanch66

ever see any of Theismann's preseason games...? You would have been calling for his head too. I think he ended up ok. It's PRE- season. Way too many people are getting all worked up over it. Was everyone excited when we beat up on San Fran a few years back during the Spurrier years? How'd that season turn out? By week 2, you will have forgotten all about it. So...who should start? Brunell? I guess you were not one of the people calling for HIS head last year, right? You want the rook to start? How far does a team go with a rookie QB? So the alternatives are to stfu and wait and see how PR does when the bullets are live and quit crying like babies every time a mistake is made in a preseason game. If he is still making dumb mistakes and costing us games in the regular season...bash away. Until then, take it easy, man.

Actually I remember watching Theismann in his first season at RFK stadium. So I'm well aware of his mistakes. The problem I have with Ramsey is one that Gibbs has had since he returned as Head Coach. (Rule 1.) Don't Turn the Ball Over. Throw the ball away, but don't turn the ball over. Ramsey started his first game as a QB under Gibbs with 2 ints against the Giants. A game I also attended. Ramseys' dilemma is a lack of composure in tight coverage primarily in the red zone. He's either grossly missed his target or underthrown his pass for the int. There doesn't appear to be any consistency at all in his performances from game to game. The acquisition of Jason Campbell confirms that Ramsey's time in Washington is just about over. It is sad to think that a QB who has overwhelming support from his fans could blow his opportunity on a future team.

[skinnyfan]

Originally Posted by Kope

How does a guy go from 3-2 the last five games of a REAL season, one team needed to beat us to lock a playoff spot no less, to being not adaquate????

He had a 94.somthing QB rating over those games!

Much better to get twitterpated over 2 games that don't count



Winning close games is what champions do! Again in the last 5 games (a third of the season roughly) we pounded the gints and 9ers, and I think we all agree we are better on offense this year as a team. Who cares about fantasy football and offesive stats; wins count, stats don't.

The guy has earned the right to start at the begining of the REAL season, yet we forget so fast.

Remember - he is not Manning/Marino/Culpepper (what do they have in common? Great stats no SB wins!)...etc. But he can be Trent Dilfer, or Phil Simms. Heck Phil Simms had more INTs than TDs in 86...so what...The Gints won the Super Bowl in 86...take a look!

If we can run the ball at 5 yards a clip with a defense close to last years, I am not sure we even need a quarterback- just run the single wing and snap it to the RB.

Lets see how the real wins and losses shake out before we charge the castle w/ pitch forks and torches. It is one thing to say I am worried about PR throwing ints and another to say he is horrid or is a practice squad QB. Sounds like folks are listeng to Jim Rome or Sports Overnight ( :vomit-smi and :vomit-smi ) and taking it seriously.

sorry for the rant

I'm not sure I understand all the ranting about champions winning close games etc.....I just said that if we win games they will be close, not blowouts. And Ramsey's mistakes will cost us those close games. And beating the Giants and the Niners is nothing to be too proud of. I will say the Minnesota win was big and he played well but the Vikes looked uninspired in that game and went up to Green Bay and Handed them their ass......Anwyay....I'm ranting. I just think Ramsey is not an adequate QB to take this team where we all want them to go..........Playoffs, Super Bowl etc..... Look I love the Redskins, I just hate Ramsey........and I hope at some point in this season I can come back to this particular topic and apologize for raping Ramsey, but I know I'm right and I don't see us winning with Ramsey.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Kope

Much better to get twitterpated over 2 games that don't count

I don't think you use the word right necessarily, nonetheless props to you for representing Owl and using the word "twitterpated" in a post about the Redskins. Bambi! What!!!

[Kope]

I'm not sure I understand all the ranting about champions winning close games etc.....I just said that if we win games they will be close, not blowouts. And Ramsey's mistakes will cost us those close games. And beating the Giants and the Niners is nothing to be too proud of. I will say the Minnesota win was big and he played well but the Vikes looked uninspired in that game and went up to Green Bay and Handed them their ass......Anwyay....I'm ranting. I just think Ramsey is not an adequate QB to take this team where we all want them to go..........Playoffs, Super Bowl etc..... Look I love the Redskins, I just hate Ramsey........and I hope at some point in this season I can come back to this particular topic and apologize for raping Ramsey, but I know I'm right and I don't see us winning with Ramsey.

No worries, Skinny.

I just think folks are getting overly critical. I get the feeling if we go 10-6, make the play off and lose in the divisional round, folks will still rake PR over the coals if his stats arn't Marino like.

God forbid we turn into fans like that, because it is about wins not stats - that was my point about Simms - his stats were ass but they won the SB.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Actually I remember watching Theismann in his first season at RFK stadium. So I'm well aware of his mistakes. The problem I have with Ramsey is one that Gibbs has had since he returned as Head Coach. (Rule 1.) Don't Turn the Ball Over. Throw the ball away, but don't turn the ball over. Ramsey started his first game as a QB under Gibbs with 2 ints against the Giants. A game I also attended. Ramseys' dilemma is a lack of composure in tight coverage primarily in the red zone. He's either grossly missed his target or underthrown his pass for the int. There doesn't appear to be any consistency at all in his performances from game to game. The acquisition of Jason Campbell confirms that Ramsey's time in Washington is just about over. It is sad to think that a QB who has overwhelming support from his fans could blow his opportunity on a future team.

if you were there, you should remember it was 3 ints

I just think people are jumping the gun... brunell went 2-4 had a 50% completion rate and was throwing for under 100yards a game last year. I really think we should chill and let ramsey have his shot, the running game is good, the oline is improved, the scheme looks remarkably better than the crap we ran last year, and our defene is still good. If decisions are his problem, experience and film study is the easiest solution. He's not as lead footed as bledsoe, he doesn't have a noodle arm... The team around him is pretty good now it seems. Let's see how he does at least until the bye week. If he's absolutely killing us, there's an entire week and 0-2 isn't imposible to overcome... though if we lose to the bears something is obviously really wrong.

[SmootSmack]

Well if we're going to get specific, the first game he started was against the Eagles, in which he threw one interception.

[mooby]

i actually think our offense is becoming good now, all we have to do is cut down on turnovers and we could actually have a decent offense. if we can continue to connect on those deep passes like the ones we had against cinci, and portis can run the ball well, i could see our offense having a ranking around middle of the pack, say 16th or so.