Soooo, for each of us, what is the breaking point for Gibbs?

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

5 years is his point and he won't be broken.
He said no matter what he was here and would get the job done in 5 years.

I believe him.

In Gibbs I Trust
peace
mike

[JWsleep]

It's up to Gibbs. We've lacked continuity here--even with the current situation, we're putting a system in place, getting the people we want, and developing our chemistry and team leaders.

We don't have a first-rate QB right now, so the whole thing feels shakey, but most of the other pieces are falling into place, IMO. When the Campbell era begins in 2006, the pieces will really be in place. Joe will guide the team back to dominance. This year there will be ups and downs, depending on QB play and getting the redzone offense to work. We have to sit tight and hang in there, people. Sometimes you have to "work through a process" to get better. That's what's happening now.

[illdefined]

Gregg Williams won't wait for 5 years

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Good point. If we need continuity to succeed, how many of us truly believe Ramsey WOULD be here in a year or two REGARDLESS of how well he did this year? It's a contract year and we have one $43 million dollar QB and our first round draft pick sitting on the bench.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by illdefined

Gregg Williams won't wait for 5 years

What makes you say that?

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

Originally Posted by illdefined

Gregg Williams won't wait for 5 years

Then he won't be a Head Coach in Washington unless Gibbs gets another ring and hands it over.

peace

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

What makes you say that?

just because too many other teams will want him and throw everything at him to get him.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by jbcjr14

Exactly Matty! Ramsey has shown very little improvement over the past three years. I don't think Brunnell is all that either, but its just a QB change, its really not that big of a deal when you didn't have an ace in the hole to begin with!

No improvement huh, how did he finish last season? Must have been pretty good for Gibbs to come out and say immediatly Patricks my starter, how did he look against the giants and the vikings, pretty good? He would have finally beat'in the boys as well if it wasen't for Gibbs and his play calling down the stretch.

We need continuity as a team, what do you think this QB change is doing for that?

[paulskinsfan]

To me, crunch time for the Washington Redskins is now. We are only competitive thanks to our D. Our D is only good because of the scheming and coaching of Gregg Williams. Once the D goes, we are toast. Williams will not be here much longer. Yes, he had a tough time of it in Buffalo, but he will be one of the most sought after coaches for a HC job next offseason if our D is again in the top 5. I am a fan of the Skins since 1981, and normally Gibbs would get a huge leash in my opinion as a Head Coach. The problem is, this time around Gibbs isn't just wearing the Head Coach cap, he's calling the shots on personnel as well, and we have been giving away draft picks like they were candy at Halloween. Look at the Eagles and the Pats, great teams are built through the draft, those mid round picks especially are vital. When you take into consideration Gibbs total job performance, he's leash has to be shorter. Throw in this last debacle and I just don't know.

[SkinsRock]

Gibbs will be until either the last day of his contract, or after winning his fourth championship. At that time, he will annoint Greg Williams as the new Skins head coach, or if he is gone already, probably Gregg Blache.

The team is in turmoil??? Only for the media and some of the fans. Brunell has a huge chip on his shoulder after his horrible performance last season, and will prove that he is still a good (not great, but solid) QB.

Also, what will all the people questioning Gibbs say if (WHEN) Brunell leads the Redskins to a victory over the Cowturds on Monday night???

[paulskinsfan]

Regardless of how Brunell plays on Monday night, this QB thing is a nightmare for the Skins. No one thinks Mark Brunnel is the future of the Skins, even for this season. At best, he'll play mediocre and win a few games. In the meantime, we destroyed what little progress Ramsey made in the offseason, and when he gets the call when Brunnel gets injured, and he will get the call, then the crap is gonna really hit the fan. I think the fans question Gibbs because this latest move was just so unlike him. It really makes you question what was once the unquestionable: Can you really take Joe Gibbs at his word?

[ladyfan06]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

Gibbs will be until either the last day of his contract, or after winning his fourth championship. At that time, he will annoint Greg Williams as the new Skins head coach, or if he is gone already, probably Gregg Blache.

The team is in turmoil??? Only for the media and some of the fans. Brunell has a huge chip on his shoulder after his horrible performance last season, and will prove that he is still a good (not great, but solid) QB.

Also, what will all the people questioning Gibbs say if (WHEN) Brunell leads the Redskins to a victory over the Cowturds on Monday night???

All the Gibbs "naysayers" will mysteriously get amnesia about all the their "GIVE RAMSEY A CHANCE..." talk, that's what will happen.

Quote me on this one!

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

Also, what will all the people questioning Gibbs say if (WHEN) Brunell leads the Redskins to a victory over the Cowturds on Monday night???

"wow, the line and Portis looked great. bet Ramsey would have scored more touchdowns.." ?

[SkinsRock]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

To me, crunch time for the Washington Redskins is now. We are only competitive thanks to our D. Our D is only good because of the scheming and coaching of Gregg Williams. Once the D goes, we are toast. Williams will not be here much longer. Yes, he had a tough time of it in Buffalo, but he will be one of the most sought after coaches for a HC job next offseason if our D is again in the top 5. I am a fan of the Skins since 1981, and normally Gibbs would get a huge leash in my opinion as a Head Coach. The problem is, this time around Gibbs isn't just wearing the Head Coach cap, he's calling the shots on personnel as well, and we have been giving away draft picks like they were candy at Halloween. Look at the Eagles and the Pats, great teams are built through the draft, those mid round picks especially are vital. When you take into consideration Gibbs total job performance, he's leash has to be shorter. Throw in this last debacle and I just don't know.

But you have to give Gibbs the personnel man credit for bringing in Williams and the rest of the coaching staff. Not to mention signing or drafting players like Portis, Taylor, Cooley, Springs, Griffen, Daniels, etc. Arguements about team management in terms of FA and trades vs. the draft can be made (about ANY team) until people are blue in the face. The only exception is NE due to their success....the Eagles have resorted to signing high priced FA's and are starting to pay the price like other teams.
If Williams were to leave, I could see Blache taking over with little to no drop off...especially after a few years in the same system.
Also, I would hardly call this QB switch a "debacle"...

[offiss]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

To me, crunch time for the Washington Redskins is now. We are only competitive thanks to our D. Our D is only good because of the scheming and coaching of Gregg Williams. Once the D goes, we are toast. Williams will not be here much longer. Yes, he had a tough time of it in Buffalo, but he will be one of the most sought after coaches for a HC job next offseason if our D is again in the top 5. I am a fan of the Skins since 1981, and normally Gibbs would get a huge leash in my opinion as a Head Coach. The problem is, this time around Gibbs isn't just wearing the Head Coach cap, he's calling the shots on personnel as well, and we have been giving away draft picks like they were candy at Halloween. Look at the Eagles and the Pats, great teams are built through the draft, those mid round picks especially are vital. When you take into consideration Gibbs total job performance, he's leash has to be shorter. Throw in this last debacle and I just don't know.

A big reason Bobby Beathard left us was his disagreements with Gibbs on personel, Beathard wanted to use the draft and his ability to evaluate talent to bring in young players, and Gibbs wanted seasoned veterans, Gibbs wanted to go with what he believed was a sure thing, Beathard had wanted to draft Icky Woods, [how it actually panned out I am a little vague] but Gibbs wantes Byner and Riggs, while giving up Mike Olyphant a Beathard draftee and some picks, and in so doing lost out on Icky, it was something along those lines, and the comment Beathard made at the time was " well joe got his running backs " showing his displeasure for not being able to get Gibbs a back in the draft who turned out to be rookie of the year, but Beathard knew he couldn't fight with joe because of his untouchable status at the time so he left.

For all those who believe Gibbs is infalible, Gibbs in his first hands on draft went and drafted Desmond Howard when at the time we really needed defensive line help, we traded 2 #1's in that draft to move up to take Desmond, at the time I hated it because I wanted Chester McGloughtin a D-tackle, and carl pickens at WR, both whom were avail with our original picks, both went on to become pro bowlers, while Desmond did nothing for us, then Gibbs retired leaving us with Desmond who was never anything more than a kick returner, and considering we had B.Mitchell, and daryl Green, that was pretty much a waste, and a D-line of swiss cheese. Does anyone here think Beathard would have been trading up fo Campbell, or giving up 42 mil and a second rd pick for Brunell? I don't think so! This was a GM who drafted 3 pro bowl QB's third rd or later.

Bottom line Gibbs hasen't won without Beathard but Beathard has won without Gibbs. I believe Gibbs is having a real problem evaluating talent for his own style of coaching.