Same Ol' Story

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by LadyT

I, too, am starting to wonder why it's ok for Brunell to fumble, but not ok for Ramsey. BTW - Brunell had more than his share of fumbles last year too. To paraphrase a line from George Orwell's "Animal Farm" - Every player is equal, but some are more equal than others, right?

Brunell is playing far better than he did last year, which isn't really saying much. But those fumbles are becoming an increasing concern.

Last year was last year. In my humble opinion, it's pointless to argue what happened a season ago. We might as well sit here and waste our team arguing about how bad Heath Suler played for us back in the mid 90's.

And, also in my opinion, Brunell's performance this year is saying quite a bit.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by EXoffender

Uh. Jansen got beat by Allen too. Obvisouly, the guy was pumped. I didn't hear a word from you Samuels' bashers when he didn't allow a sack against the all too hyped DE DeMarcus Ware.

i think you got the wrong idea of me. I'm not a Samuels basher, in fact i support him and i think he is a top ten tackle in the league. I can understand a bad game, but getting dominated like that shouldn't happen. I understand jansen did give up a sack, but most of Allen's big day came against Samuels. And i know that he probably feels really bad about it, and he'll work harder to correct his mistakes. As for Rock, he's not gonna get cut. Not after the way Gibbs talked about him after the game. Gibbs likes the guy too much to cut him.

@Offiss: look, your argument is weak. Brunell hasn't given up two fumbles every game ok, and he's a far better option at qb than Ramsey is. Do you think after 5 games Ramsey would have 9 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions, and 1240 yards? i think that's more yards than brunell put up in 9 games last year.

[MTK]

Brunell is a HUGE bright spot in our offense this year and his play is night and day compared to last year.

I'm not even sure what some of you are suggesting, are you saying we should now go back to Ramsey??

Turnovers are never ok, but Brunell is playing lights out, a 91.5 QB rating, 9 TD vs. only 2 INT!! By the way he has 3 fumbles on the year, so it's definitely not a weekly thing with him, I know it might make your weak argument stronger to stretch the truth a bit, but let's deal with the facts shall we?

C'mon, what more do some of you want??

I guess for some it's just really hard to admit you were wrong in questioning the QB switch. It's ok to admit a Hall of Fame coach knows more than you, seriously, it's alright!

[saskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I guess for some it's just really hard to admit you were wrong in questioning the QB switch. It's ok to admit a Hall of Fame coach knows more than you, seriously, it's alright!

Maybe they think they're onto something with Lavar?

I think all the things that have unfolded, are the best that we have.

[djnemo65]

I've been saying all along that Brunell was the answer; its nice to finally be vindicated.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Yawn! I'll take Brunell over Ramsey at this point. Your argument is weak at best.

What argument? I only stated the facts!

Maybe facts are not something your comfortable dealing with?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

What argument? I only stated the facts!

Maybe facts are not something your comfortable dealing with?

Don't confuse your opinions with fact. The fact is, your opinion is weak.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by mooby

i think you got the wrong idea of me. I'm not a Samuels basher, in fact i support him and i think he is a top ten tackle in the league. I can understand a bad game, but getting dominated like that shouldn't happen. I understand jansen did give up a sack, but most of Allen's big day came against Samuels. And i know that he probably feels really bad about it, and he'll work harder to correct his mistakes. As for Rock, he's not gonna get cut. Not after the way Gibbs talked about him after the game. Gibbs likes the guy too much to cut him.

@Offiss: look, your argument is weak. Brunell hasn't given up two fumbles every game ok, and he's a far better option at qb than Ramsey is. Do you think after 5 games Ramsey would have 9 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions, and 1240 yards? i think that's more yards than brunell put up in 9 games last year.

Brunell averages 1 TO a game check his stats.

As far as Ramsey is concerned we will never know will we?

[offiss]

[QUOTE=offiss]Brunell averages 1 TO a game check his stats.[/QUOT

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by offiss

What argument? I only stated the facts!

Maybe facts are not something your comfortable dealing with?

What facts apparently you didnt see Mattys post about Brunells #'s...

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Don't confuse your opinions with fact. The fact is, your opinion is weak.

no it's fact not opinion which you don't want to acknowledge so you pawn it off as opinion. It's your opinion that it is not fact.

Just check Brunells TO ratio over the coarse of the past 2 seasons, and you will find he averages 1 TO a game. thats not weak thats fact.

Has Portis scored a TD this year? No! That's fact!

How many times did Portis stumble and fall down today without being hit? 2,3,4 somewhere in there, that's fact.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

no it's fact not opinion which you don't want to acknowledge so you pawn it off as opinion. It's your opinion that it is not fact.

Just check Brunells TO ratio over the coarse of the past 2 seasons, and you will find he averages 1 TO a game. thats not weak thats fact.

Has Portis scored a TD this year? No! That's fact!

How many times did Portis stumble and fall down today without being hit? 2,3,4 somewhere in there, that's fact.

Who cares what Brunell did last season? That is all you have to go by, which is why it's such a weak argument. Go ahead an admit your wrong about Brunell, most of the real men here have done so.

[MTK]

Offiss, this is what you said earlier in this thread.

Same old same old out of Brunell, 2 more fumbles today, which does happen, in fact it happens every game with him

This simply is not true, and this is the statement we were responding to. He has 3 fumbles in 5 games on the year. 2 today, 1 last week. 3 does not = 5.

Ok, let's look at the argument you changed it to, his TO ratio over the last 2 seasons.

Going back to last year he has 8 total INTs and he's lost 6 fumbles, or 14 total turnovers in a total of 14 games. Fair enough, there's your average of 1.0 per game, but again that wasn't what you said initially.

And frankly last year is looking more and more like a pure fluke, especially considering the drastic turnaround this year. When can we finally forget about last year and focus on this year??

For the sake of the argument let's look at Ramsey's last two seasons, he has 12 INTs in 8 starts and 2 lost fumbles for a total of 14 turnovers in 8 starts, or 1.75 turnovers per start.

Comparing careers Brunell has 120 turnovers in 135 games played, or .888 turnovers per game.

Ramsey has 40 turnovers in 30 games, or 1.33 per game.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

What facts apparently you didnt see Mattys post about Brunells #'s...

Here's some numbers for you, in 9 games last season Brunell turned the ball over 9 times.

In 4 and 3/4 games this season Brunell has turned the ball over 5 times. Your more than welcome to calculate the ratio and see if I presented the facts, or opinion.

Oh and by the way, Brunell has lost the last 2 games which is by far the most important stat, and both games were winnable, and lucky for him the seattle kicker choaked other wise he would be on a 3 game losing streak because of a late INT in his own end. As I said last week Brunell has squeeked out wins against below average teams, the first 2 legitamate teams we run into we lose.

I will put up a link up for Portis's TD's when he actually gets one.

[skinsguy]

Matty, what's the ol' saying, misery loves company?