Joe Gibbs Sending tapes to NFL

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by funandgunner

You know if the 4 plays are admitted by NFL as being the wrong calls (which resulted in 17 points for Tampa), which they would have to admit cost the redskins the game (even just considering the 2 point conversion) - the nfl could atone for the refs' mistakes and award the redskins the tie-breaker if it comes down to Tampa Bay and the skins.

Very true, but imagine the fallout of them doing that. If something like that were to happen, you'd NEVER know who won the game even after the final whistle because every team would find the most minute thing to look for that affected the game.

[Hog1]

Check out Dan Patrick's show (just starting). One segment today is how Joe got ripped off and has a legitimate bitch against the NFL officials costing the game last Sunday. I wonder how much Joe will get fined this time?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Very true, but imagine the fallout of them doing that. If something like that were to happen, you'd NEVER know who won the game even after the final whistle because every team would find the most minute thing to look for that affected the game.

Yeah they're never going to do something like that. I don't think it is even allowed under the CBA and league rules. The best we can hope for is some friendly overly friendly officiating through the next 7 games.
This whole situation shows how instant replay simply needs more tweaking. I think it ought not be the head ref who reviews the replay but an NFL official. What's the point of having a ref who has bias built in deciding whether the guy he has spent the last 4 months with and is very good friends with got something wrong? I think it would be impossible to expect them to have a completely fair and unbalanced view. Get someone who doesn't mind revealing that the refs blew it.

[FRPLG]

And also:

I understand that the Galloway play was unchallengable but the question is why???? I know the reason behind most of the unchallengable calls is that they are very subjective and rely on being in perfect position to make the call. A position that replay can't be relied on to have. But on that play it is pretty obvious whether a guy is pushed or not. What the hell is the point of it not being reviewable? I say make everything reviewable or nothing. Why leave half the decisions strictly to the refs and not the other half. You're saying you trust them to make the gray area calls right but not the black and white ones? That seems retarded.

[irish]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Yeah they're never going to do something like that. I don't think it is even allowed under the CBA and league rules. The best we can hope for is some friendly overly friendly officiating through the next 7 games.
This whole situation shows how instant replay simply needs more tweaking. I think it ought not be the head ref who reviews the replay but an NFL official. What's the point of having a ref who has bias built in deciding whether the guy he has spent the last 4 months with and is very good friends with got something wrong? I think it would be impossible to expect them to have a completely fair and unbalanced view. Get someone who doesn't mind revealing that the refs blew it.

I think instant replay should be done away with permanently. It has not done what it was supposed to do, eliminate bad calls and controversy, and never will. Just let the refs on the field make the call, right or wrong, and move on.

[JWsleep]

There ought to be a separate replay official in a dark booth up in the stadium, like they do for Hockey. My guess is having the ref try to do it himself under that "hood" leads to lots of blown calls and pressure to get it done quickly.

And I agree--they ought to pay the friggin refs and make them work all offseason to hone there skills. Why not? Are you telling me the NFL doesn't have the money to do so???

[MTK]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

And also:

I understand that the Galloway play was unchallengable but the question is why???? I know the reason behind most of the unchallengable calls is that they are very subjective and rely on being in perfect position to make the call. A position that replay can't be relied on to have. But on that play it is pretty obvious whether a guy is pushed or not. What the hell is the point of it not being reviewable? I say make everything reviewable or nothing. Why leave half the decisions strictly to the refs and not the other half. You're saying you trust them to make the gray area calls right but not the black and white ones? That seems retarded.

I agree, that's the most frustrating part of the replay system, what's reviewable and what's not.

It should be all or nothing. Seems like the worst calls always come on the ones that can't be reviewed.

If they would have reviewed the so called push out on Galloway, any reasonable person would have overturned that in a second.

[irish]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

There ought to be a separate replay official in a dark booth up in the stadium, like they do for Hockey. My guess is having the ref try to do it himself under that "hood" leads to lots of blown calls and pressure to get it done quickly.

And I agree--they ought to pay the friggin refs and make them work all offseason to hone there skills. Why not? Are you telling me the NFL doesn't have the money to do so???

The NFL has the money to make the refs full time employees but they never will be because that would lead to an NFL referee union (like MLB) and all the problems that go along with dealing with a union.

[RedskinRat]

If we can't have Pro Refs then can we at least include some technology? It really isn't that much of a task to put RFID in the balls and use a hopped up GPS to track it.

No more questionable spots of the ball, no more goal line debates.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Check out Dan Patrick's show (just starting). One segment today is how Joe got ripped off and has a legitimate bitch against the NFL officials costing the game last Sunday. I wonder how much Joe will get fined this time?

Yea, they say Ron Jaworski is coming on and agrees that we were not offsides and alstott was down. It would be interesting to see the replay of the x pt attempt again.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

There ought to be a separate replay official in a dark booth up in the stadium, like they do for Hockey. My guess is having the ref try to do it himself under that "hood" leads to lots of blown calls and pressure to get it done quickly.

And I agree--they ought to pay the friggin refs and make them work all offseason to hone there skills. Why not? Are you telling me the NFL doesn't have the money to do so???

I actually like the idea of making the replay sort of similar to what college football has. The refs stand there with the head set on and wait for the booth up stairs to say good or no good. But we should still keep it the same in regards to the coaches being able to challenge the plays. That way, it keeps the refs out of the decision making regarding reviews. They are emotionally (even though they are not suppose to be) in the game. They are running around and no matter what the replay shows, they feel obligated at times to keep the play as it was originally called.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by irish

The NFL has the money to make the refs full time employees but they never will be because that would lead to an NFL referee union (like MLB) and all the problems that go along with dealing with a union.

That's my worry--but at some point owners have to feel that better refs make for a better league--if we miss the playoffs by a game, my guess is Danny Snyder will feel ok with a union, so long as the refs stop blowing calls!

And #56Fanatic, I agree--if college can do it, the pros can as well--obviously the COllege folks looked at how the NFL was doing things and thought, hey, we've can do this better.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Yea, they say Ron Jaworski is coming on and agrees that we were not offsides and alstott was down. It would be interesting to see the replay of the x pt attempt again.

I like Jaworski. I would be interested to know what he says. If you can post the general interview content???

[irish]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

That's my worry--but at some point owners have to feel that better refs make for a better league--if we miss the playoffs by a game, my guess is Danny Snyder will feel ok with a union, so long as the refs stop blowing calls!

And #56Fanatic, I agree--if college can do it, the pros can as well--obviously the COllege folks looked at how the NFL was doing things and thought, hey, we've can do this better.

I am trying to imagine how making the refs full time nfl employees is going to make the league better (whatever you mean by better). The league is wildly popular, the games are exciting, the TV ratings are good, and the stadiums are full, sounds like a good league to me. The nfl has to focus on keeping that ball rolling.

Also full time refs will blow calls the same as part time refs. They are humans and humans make mistakes.

This team will not miss or make the playoffs because of the refs, they will make it because they make plays and score ,more points than the other teams. Had the redskins done that on sunday we would not even be discussing this today.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I don't know about full-time refs, but I'd be completely in favor of refs getting sizeable fines for blowing a call.